WR Fred Ross To The Panthers

[Pimpdaddy]

10 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

 

As they should be. Both will be on the roster this year, but there should be competition for playing time.

Both were unequivocally disappointments last year. They both have the potential to be good WRs (and great in KBs case), but last year was undeniable regression.


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[caatfan]

Fred "The Boss" Ross

STRENGTHS

 Handled a heavy target rate over last two seasons. Catches with strong hands and excellent arm extension. Capable hand fighter who is able to claw his way back inside against corners with leverage. Plays with good hand quickness to reach high and secure throws that are right on top of him. Does a good job of utilizing his body as a shield. Offers viable punt return option. Had 10 of his 37 punt returns go for 15 or more yards.

WEAKNESSES

 Short-stepper with vertical limitations. Physical press corners can grind him up off the release. Lacks the long speed to back cornerbacks off of him. Had eight drops this season and 13 over last two years. Does not have the feet to shake a talented athlete across from him. Has tight hips and struggles mightily to make adjustments to poorly thrown balls. Lingers at top of his routes rather than firing out of his breaks. Can't create space through burst.

DRAFT PROJECTION

 Round 6-7

BOTTOM LINE

 Ross has adequate size and uses it effectively in space, but his hip tightness and lack of long speed are major concerns. Tight man coverage will be difficult for Ross to beat due to his lack of separation quickness. His route to the pros may be a zone-beater with punt return value.    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/fred-ross?id=2558197

[SOJA]

This guy is a stud, Idk who but someone on this board was all over him like a year or two years ago and I loved him ever since 

[top dawg]

I'm through fooling myself about UDFA WRs. Moreover, Rivera's (tall) tales of competition has been pure rhetoric. UDFA WRs are destined for the practice squad where they will an intimate on-again-off-again relationship until they're shipped out.

One day we might get a true gem, but until then all we've managed to do is throw poo against a wall trying to see if it sticks.

[Ace_Aladdin]

9 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I'm through fooling myself about UDFA WRs. Moreover, Rivera's (tall) tales of competition has been pure rhetoric. UDFA WRs are destined for the practice squad where they will an intimate on-again-off-again relationship until they're shipped out.

One day we might get a true gem, but until then all we've managed to do is throw poo against a wall trying to see if it sticks.

Philly Brown

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, top dawg said:

One day we might get a true gem, but until then all we've managed to do is throw poo against a wall trying to see if it sticks.

This is the case for every team and their UDFAs. There's a reason why these guys didn't get drafted. We got a starting OG in Norwell recently. We've invested pretty heavily at the WR position. A 1st rounder in KB, a 2nd rounder in Funchess, and now a 2nd rounder in Samuel. If these guys don't work out, it has nothing to do with our willingness to commit resources to the position and everything to do with our ability to evaluate and develop the position.

[top dawg]

17 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This is the case for every team and their UDFAs. There's a reason why these guys didn't get drafted. We got a starting OG in Norwell recently. We've invested pretty heavily at the WR position. A 1st rounder in KB, a 2nd rounder in Funchess, and now a 2nd rounder in Samuel. If these guys don't work out, it has nothing to do with our willingness to commit resources to the position and everything to do with our ability to evaluate and develop the position.

I don't have any problem with KB. Even in a "down" year, he has largely played up to his value. Funchess was apparently over-drafted, but this will be the season to tell if he's for real or a figment of Gettleman's imagination. I don't think that we've put enough resources in the position, especially when you look at some of the receivers that we've passed up on. Hopefully Samuel will at least be that consistent playmaker that we've needed. I would think that his floor is a slightly more physical Ted Ginn with more twitch and better hands, but if his ceiling is a more durable Percy Harvin, I'll take that all day long.

In any event, I'm basically responding to the people getting all giddy over another UDFA.

I believe that the FO is bringing all these receivers in because they know deep down in their hearts that they have no idea who is going to emerge, and that includes from the UDFAs to the PS to the FAs. I think they want to believe in our presumed starters (inc. Samuel), but they aren't all in. They're trying to hedge their bets and get by while they take the BPA.

Personally, I would fill a little better if we added Cruz into the mix, but maybe with all this filler at the position someone really will emerge, but only if Rivera truly lets competition decide.

[Ace_Aladdin]

3 minutes ago, The Onion Knight said:

Lol here we fuging go with our yearly UDFA WR that the Carolina Huddle drastically overrates.

This one is not overrated , espeically playing in the SEC & producing at high level. 

How about a Gentleman's bet?

[Ace_Aladdin]

2 minutes ago, The Onion Knight said:

$20 that he never does anything more than  make the practice squad or be the last WR on the roster. 

Your on Sir

 

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I don't have any problem with KB. Even in a "down" year, he has largely played up to his value. Funchess was apparently over-drafted, but this will be the season to tell if he's for real or a figment of Gettleman's imagination. I don't think that we've put enough resources in the position, especially when you look at some of the receivers that we've passed up on. Hopefully Samuel will at least be that consistent playmaker that we've needed. I would think that his floor is a slightly more physical Ted Ginn with more twitch and better hands, but if his ceiling is a more durable Percy Harvin, I'll take that all day long.

In any event, I'm basically responding to the people getting all giddy over another UDFA.

I believe that the FO is bringing all these receivers in because they know deep down in their hearts that they have no idea who is going to emerge, and that includes from the UDFAs to the PS to the FAs. I think they want to believe in our presumed starters (inc. Samuel), but they aren't all in. They're trying to hedge their bets and get by while they take the BPA.

Personally, I would fill a little better if we added Cruz into the mix, but maybe with all this filler at the position someone really will emerge, but only if Rivera truly lets competition decide.

This is why I really wanted Zay Jones. I just don't think that Funchess is going to emerge as that starter opposite KB that we want him to be. Jones could've been that guy. Hell, maybe Samuel will develop into that guy, but he's clearly destined for the slot role early on. That means that Funchess or one of these other JAGs will be starting.

But again, I don't blame that on our refusal to invest in the position. You'd probably be hard pressed to find another team that has spent a 1st and 2nds on WRs over the course of the past 4 drafts. What I do question is HOW we invest. I still don't understand the Funchess pick. We already had one oversized WR with marginal speed. Why would you choose a poor man's version of him to pair him with? Samuel? Look, I hope the guy is a fuging baller, but another project WR? What is with our love of raw as hell WRs? I would've been fine with taking Samuel had we signed a legit vet to compete with Funch for the starting role and no, giving a career special teamer a $12M contract doesn't count as a "legit vet" WR.

[top dawg]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This is why I really wanted Zay Jones. I just don't think that Funchess is going to emerge as that starter opposite KB that we want him to be. Jones could've been that guy. Hell, maybe Samuel will develop into that guy, but he's clearly destined for the slot role early on. That means that Funchess or one of these other JAGs will be starting.

But again, I don't blame that on our refusal to invest in the position. You'd probably be hard pressed to find another team that has spent a 1st and 2nds on WRs over the course of the past 4 drafts. What I do question is HOW we invest. I still don't understand the Funchess pick. We already had one oversized WR with marginal speed. Why would you choose a poor man's version of him to pair him with? Samuel? Look, I hope the guy is a fuging baller, but another project WR? What is with our love of raw as hell WRs? I would've been fine with taking Samuel had we signed a legit vet to compete with Funch for the starting role and no, giving a career special teamer a $12M contract doesn't count as a "legit vet" WR.

That's a good point, but in a way I could say that they haven't really invested in the position because since they've been here they have only invested in one true WR. The other two---second round picks---are projects. They're hybrids that are more like bets than actual investments. We've passed up on true WRs on day one and particularly day two, and then dredged the local branch of UDFAs in order to sift out true receivers. I know that's how this BPA thing played out with Gettleman, but, damn, something seems backwards .

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[Ace_Aladdin]

19 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This is why I really wanted Zay Jones. I just don't think that Funchess is going to emerge as that starter opposite KB that we want him to be. Jones could've been that guy. Hell, maybe Samuel will develop into that guy, but he's clearly destined for the slot role early on. That means that Funchess or one of these other JAGs will be starting.

But again, I don't blame that on our refusal to invest in the position. You'd probably be hard pressed to find another team that has spent a 1st and 2nds on WRs over the course of the past 4 drafts. What I do question is HOW we invest. I still don't understand the Funchess pick. We already had one oversized WR with marginal speed. Why would you choose a poor man's version of him to pair him with? Samuel? Look, I hope the guy is a fuging baller, but another project WR? What is with our love of raw as hell WRs? I would've been fine with taking Samuel had we signed a legit vet to compete with Funch for the starting role and no, giving a career special teamer a $12M contract doesn't count as a "legit vet" WR.

We coud have gotten Tyler Lockette instead of Fun Fun, Oh well.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, top dawg said:

That's a good point, but in a way I could say that they haven't really invested in the position because since they've been here they have only invested in one true WR. The other two---second round picks---are projects. They're hybrids that are more like bets than actual investments. We've passed up on true WRs on day one and particularly day two, and then dredged the local branch of UDFAs in order to sift out true receivers. I know that's how this BPA thing played out with Gettleman, but, damn, something seems backwards .

Agreed. We're investing premium assets, it just feels like we're investing in overpriced boom or bust stocks.