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ex-GM Michael Lombardi on Gettleman situation

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12 hours ago, SmartyHurney said:

CB wasn't a weakness pre-Gettleman. The Panthers had Christ Gamble, and from what I recall Gettleman never offered him contract so he decided to retire.

LaFell was a good to sometimes great number 2 WR. In New England he had a great first year, and was on pace his second year with 515 yards in 11 games, but he was hurt and missed 5 games. On the Bengals he had a spectacular resurgence with a 862 yard season. He's a fan favorite for Bengals fans now, go check out their forums.

Devin Funchess has a total of 844 career yards in two seasons on a team in need of anyone that can catch a ball. His rookie season he had a chance to be the go to target with Kelvin Benjamin out for the season, but barely managed 473 yards.

the loss of Gamble was one we never fully recovered from though we had a chance to by keeping Norman...

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3 hours ago, Steve_Smith_Sr. said:

"… but at the end of the day, I think Jerry Richardson really likes Marty Hurney. I think he likes the way he treats the players, and that’s important to him. Do I think they’re going to continue to win and continue to get good players? I’m not sure of that, because I think Dave Gettleman was really good at his job."

I think this sums it up perfectly.

You don't want your management to be buddy-buddy with the employees.  Someone has to say no and keep the lights on, which is what DG was hired to do.  Perfect example in this article was Wilfork and the Pats.  It was an unpopular move, but the right move.  This is why the Pats win year after year and we are mediocre with flashes of greatness.  It's not accidental, it's not Brady - it's running the team like a business and doing it well which Belichick does.

if Gman had provided some support for Cam at OT and we won the SB the whole Pats comparison would maybe be valid ...but his bargain basement approach hung him out to dry and carried on into last season...Id rather see the GM buddy buddy with some good OT depth than a All business GM putting Remmers on the field to  protect Cam...

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19 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Agree with no buy in from owner. It was the 6-10 season and screwing up after going 15-1.  Gettleman didn't have 2 consecutive winning seasons after going 12-4 and 15-1.  If we had even gone 10-6 in 2016 Gettleman would still be GM

I doubt it. The timing of this move indicates that last season's record doesn't have anything to do with it

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5 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

I doubt it. The timing of this move indicates that last season's record doesn't have anything to do with it

Sure it did. Add that he got in a power struggle with the owner and it was time to move on. Ask yourself has he ever fired anyone mid season before Hurney

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16 hours ago, panther4life said:

Only on the huddle will Gettleman go down as one of the greats at GM after taking a 15-1 team and letting them plummet to 6-10. Jerry wants a consistent winner. Thats all he and the fans are asking for. Gettleman proved uncapable of doing so. It is clearly that simple. 

If Jerry wants a consistent winner, why did he bring back Hurney? He produced 3 winning years out of 11. 

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42 minutes ago, heel31ok said:

if Gman had provided some support for Cam at OT and we won the SB the whole Pats comparison would maybe be valid ...but his bargain basement approach hung him out to dry and carried on into last season...Id rather see the GM buddy buddy with some good OT depth than a All business GM putting Remmers on the field to  protect Cam...

There's certainly some truth in that, but what OT's were available?  I sure hope that we didn't pay top dollar for another Remmers.... it certainly has me nervous about this year as does Cam's arm.

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18 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

I'm just very indifferent at this point.  If Hurney stays, what will change?  As I've stated ad nauseam, there was literally no difference in Hurney and Gettleman's performance when it came to meaningful results - Gettleman could not put together consecutive winning seasons, and neither could Hurney.  Yeah, Hurney destroyed the cap, but likely at JR's beckoning.  Gettleman cleaned it up, but went way too far over the line and made negotiations personal while generating a bad reputation for our organization, which wouldn't help our situation long-term either.  His extreme negotiating style also directly resulted in last season's horrible showing.  Yes, Gettleman could find talent, but he wasn't doing the front worm, our scouts were, he just made a final decision, and he made some good ones.  He also made some bad/unnecessary ones.  Same could be said for Hurney, and subjectively, I have to say, if Gettleman would've been the GM when we picked Cam and Luke, I doubt those we would have both or either.  So, credit needs to be given where credit is due, as does criticism.

But again, I refer back to the meaningful outcomes...  neither could sustain success.  So, again, ultimately, I'm unmoved.  If Hurney learned nothing and everyone's worst nightmare comes true and the same old Hurney is named the permanent GM, then what really changes?  Nothing.  It just confims that our team is poorly run and will always struggle to sustain success, no matter the GM.  So, that's the floor...  I'm looking for the ceiling.

This is a FIREABLE offense of itself.  If you're unable to wrap your head around why Getts is out...

 

 

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This is a FIREABLE offense of itself.  If you're unable to wrap your head around why Getts is out...

 

 

but went way too far over the line and made negotiations personal while generating a bad reputation for our organization. The same could be said of Hurney. He just went in the opposite direction. Getts and Hurney are polar opposites of each other. 

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16 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

If Jerry wants a consistent winner, why did he bring back Hurney? He produced 3 winning years out of 11. 

He brought him back because he doesn't care about winning. It was a overreaction to a disagreement. I've said it for years nothing gets done without Jr's approval. People argued Dave had full control Yada Yada Yada. The reason carolina will always be a loser is because JR is not worried about winning. Just keeping around homegrown icons that sell jerseys. Super Bowls don't sell jerseys. 

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5 hours ago, heel31ok said:

 i don't think that matters now that Hurney is interim...the talk of him staying on is premature until we see he has learned from his mistakes...

Im have my doubts, about how much of herniay is here on an interim basis.  He sure didn't sound like one during his press conference and Mr. Richardson is still the boss. I hope, big time hope, it's TRULY for only the 2017 season and the moment the last panther (superbowl!!11!!)game is over so is herniay as GM.

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1 minute ago, Basbear said:

Im have my doubts, about how much of herniay is here on an interim basis.  He sure didn't sound like one during his press conference and Mr. Richardson is still the boss. I hope, big time hope, it's TRULY for only the 2017 season and the moment the last panther (superbowl!!11!!)game is over so is herniay as GM.

if he shows he has learned to control himself it will be fine , if it is the same old Marty then no...

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Just now, heel31ok said:

if he shows he has learned to control himself it will be fine , if it is the same old Marty then no...

We have a disagreement of what "fine" is. Justifying the one year deal takes super mental gymnastics. Forget the Gettleman vs herniay stuff- letting Branden Beane go to buffalo month ago after 15+years of training, firing a GM eight days before training camp, and rehiring the guy he replaced..... that in its self is bonder-line looney-bin. 

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