Ron Rivera - Belichick Role?

[top dawg]

I would say that people don't know how Rivera would do bringing in talent. Now whether he gives that talent the real and true opportunity to succeed is an entirely different question, but unfortunately for him, it is still part of the evaluation process. His problem, in my mind, is that he favors age and experience over potential and upside to a fault. To a damned fault! So, I'd be very very skeptical with him having control of personnel.

[Steve_Smith_Sr.]

Sweet Jesus no.  The only person less likely to get rid of lackluster players than RR, is our new GM.... and owner.

 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I would say that people don't know how Rivera would do bringing in talent. Now whether he gives that talent the real and true opportunity to succeed is an entirely different question, but unfortunately for him, it is still part of the evaluation process. His problem, in my mind, is that he favors age and experience over potential and upside to a fault. To a damned fault! So, I'd be very very skeptical with him having control of personnel.

Rivera has always valued "try hard" and "good attitude" over ability.

That makes you a nice guy, but in a cutthroat game it doesn't make you a winner.

[top dawg]

19 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've been on record with that already.

Ron is as nice a guy as you'll find, but he's not a consistent head coach. He'd make a great DC, but head coaching is above his pay grade for numerous reasons that have been discussed many times before.

You don't become two-time COTY by luck. Rivera has admittedly had to learn and grow in his position. He still has some learning and growing to do. Sure, we can argue whether he has had enough time, but I would say that much of his so-called "inconsistency" has been due to the failings of the GM to get him the necessary pieces to do his best work---finish the deal. 

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, top dawg said:

You don't become two-time COTY by luck. Rivera has admittedly had to learn and grow in his position. He still has some learning and growing to do. Sure, we can argue whether he has had enough time, but I would say that much of his so-called "inconsistency" has been due to the failings of the GM to get him the necessary pieces to do his best work---finish the deal. 

And if we get off to another slow start again?

COTY awards don't mean much if you don't have a ring.

[top dawg]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Rivera has always valued "try hard" and "good attitude" over ability.

That makes you a nice guy, but in a cutthroat game it doesn't make you a winner.

I will say that the first part of your opinion has some truth to it. But the fact is that in some respects Ron can already be seen as a "winner." From my perspective, he arguably overachieved considering what he had to work with.

[top dawg]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

And if we get off to another slow start again?

COTY awards don't mean much if you don't have a ring.

I know that you and others probably don't agree, but the lack of a ring has more to do with Gettleman's failings than Ron's. Gettleman failed to adequately address arguably the two biggest weaknesses that we had in 2015, and it unfortunately bit us all up in our ass in the Super Bowl. The thing is though, without Rivera motivating and coaching his ass off, we would have never even been there. Ron has taken highly flawed rosters and has won more than he should.

[Fox007]

ROFL....this place.....ROFL my comedy channel now

[CPcavedweller]

So do you all think Bill is the head scout of the Patriots? That seems to be the biggest complaint; Ron Rivera is not great at evaluating talent. There also seems to be a consensus that given the talent, Rivera can assemble a roster. Assume the roster building remains in Rivera's hands, scouting is delegated to the, of all things, scouting department who receives input from the GM and Rivera; would that satisfy you all then?

Or do you trust Hurney's style of loyalty to guys without any analysis into decline and statistical analysis of probabilities of production?

[CPcavedweller]

3 hours ago, beastson said:

Is Ron a terrible talent evaluator or is he too loyal to vets? There's definitely a difference

I think Ron appreciates the time given to rookies to learn the system in practice. If you can't show in practice that you have the concepts down, you will not see the field. I think Ron believes that and in all honesty, I'll take his word over an couch head coach that doesn't see practice, talk to the players, or understand the minutia of the game plan. 

[Ace_Aladdin]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Oh good grief, no.

Talent evaluation and roster building is Rivera's biggest weakness. That'd be an utter disaster.

Sure buddy,

Cam

Luke

Olsen

Shaq

CMC

 

 

 

[JARROD]

 No way, see Shockey  replaced by Mike Tolbert 

[top dawg]

11 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

I think Ron appreciates the time given to rookies to learn the system in practice. If you can't show in practice that you have the concepts down, you will not see the field. I think Ron believes that and in all honesty, I'll take his word over an couch head coach that doesn't see practice, talk to the players, or understand the minutia of the game plan. 

I would have almost fully agreed with you before seeing him continue to trot out uninspired receivers last season, but he held to his status quo even after the season was basically over. You have to at least see what you really have when you really don't have anything to lose. 

[KillerKat]

17 minutes ago, sanjay_rajput said:

Sure buddy,

Cam

Luke

Olsen

Shaq

CMC

 

 

 

Rivera doesn't draft or trade