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Thursday Night Preseason Week 2 GameDay Chat

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23 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

It doesn't, asswipe. Keenum was only one example. What about The Golden Calf of Bristol? Or Bowers? Or A.Curry? Or V.Gholston? Or T.Richardson? Or Manuel? Or J.Russell? Or Leinart? Or C.Rogers? C.Benson? T.Williamson? 

No matter how you spin it, college doesn't mean poo. 

Really want to make a comparison of round 1-3 players compared to round 5-7 and undrafted players?!? 

Lmao

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10 hours ago, PrimeTimeHeel said:

If Barnett keeps up this type of play in the regular season (same as he was in college) it is going to take an insane amount of production for CMC to even halfway makeup for passing on Barnett. 

Which I am not sure is even possible if Barnett continues to be a terror off the edge. 

This wasn't drafting Bruce Nelson over Jason Witten (that one still stings). It looks like CMC and Barnett will both be good players and that's awesome for Panthers and Eagles fans. Maybe this will be similar to OBJ/Mack in 2014. I'm sure there were Raiders fans who wanted OBJ, but they got a great one in Mack. 

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38 minutes ago, trueblade said:

This wasn't drafting Bruce Nelson over Jason Witten (that one still stings). It looks like CMC and Barnett will both be good players and that's awesome for Panthers and Eagles fans. Maybe this will be similar to OBJ/Mack in 2014. I'm sure there were Raiders fans who wanted OBJ, but they got a great one in Mack. 

An elite edge rusher is considerably more valuable than an elite HB. 

At least in my opinion. 

DE is a top 3 position in the NFL. 

Games are won and lost in the trenches. 

 

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I seriously doubt Derrick Barnett will be an elite pass rusher. He doesn't have the size of Bosa or Danielle Hunter or the speed of Everson Griffen. I compare him to our Charles Johnson, might make 1-2 pro bowls, good leader,  and put up some 10 sack seasons. McCaffery's ceiling is higher. 

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46 minutes ago, gmonjimbo said:

I seriously doubt Derrick Barnett will be an elite pass rusher. He doesn't have the size of Bosa or Danielle Hunter or the speed of Everson Griffen. I compare him to our Charles Johnson, might make 1-2 pro bowls, good leader,  and put up some 10 sack seasons. McCaffery's ceiling is higher. 

Barnett has better bend, hands, and finish than those guys, as good as they are.  Barnett is this generation's Terrell Suggs from a tenacity, motor, and production standpoint.

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1 hour ago, gmonjimbo said:

I seriously doubt Derrick Barnett will be an elite pass rusher. He doesn't have the size of Bosa or Danielle Hunter or the speed of Everson Griffen. I compare him to our Charles Johnson, might make 1-2 pro bowls, good leader,  and put up some 10 sack seasons. McCaffery's ceiling is higher. 

Not all about size. Plenty of guys with awesome size, speed, and athleticism who sucked. 

Skill, technique and IQ are more important. 

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14 hours ago, cookinbrak said:

The 3rd string QB for JAX is a better player than the guys in front of him.

The Jags coach has declared it an open competition. I would anticipate something like alternating series of Bortles and Henne in their next game. Kind of crazy to think the Panthers Defense could go a long way to determine the Jacksonville starting quarterback on Thursday night.

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50 minutes ago, PrimeTimeHeel said:

Not all about size. Plenty of guys with awesome size, speed, and athleticism who sucked. 

Skill, technique and IQ are more important. 

That's not my point. His lack of athleticism will prevent him from reaching that elite tier. You look at Watt, Peppers, Mario Williams, Mack, Miller,etc. They can combine their skill and technique with their physical advantage to dominate games. I'm not saying Barnett will be bad but I don't see 15+ sacks and all pro nods from him. 

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5 hours ago, gmonjimbo said:

That's not my point. His lack of athleticism will prevent him from reaching that elite tier. You look at Watt, Peppers, Mario Williams, Mack, Miller,etc. They can combine their skill and technique with their physical advantage to dominate games. I'm not saying Barnett will be bad but I don't see 15+ sacks and all pro nods from him. 

Dude has the best bend and is very quick off the edge. Not to mention some great hands and motor. 

Had one of the best 3 cone drills for DL in the draft. 

Dude is more than capable of being an elite DE. 

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18 hours ago, PrimeTimeHeel said:

Really want to make a comparison of round 1-3 players compared to round 5-7 and undrafted players?!? 

Lmao

Don't tell me you're one of those guys who thinks just because someone's drafted high means he's good.

How many Everette Browns, Armanti Edwards, and Jimmy Clausens do we have to go through so that you understand there can easily be busts that high.

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59 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Don't tell me you're one of those guys who thinks just because someone's drafted high means he's good.

How many Everette Browns, Armanti Edwards, and Jimmy Clausens do we have to go through so that you understand there can easily be busts that high.

I am the type of guy who understands and knows 1) anyone drafted high, low, undrafted can be great or suck and 2) that more often than not, higher drafted guys out perform lower drafted / undrafted guys. 

Brown had a lackluster or poor 3 cone time. 

Armanti Edwards wasnt even a WR in college. 

Clausen was less than stellar his first 2 years and even in his 3rd his team barely had a .500 record. 

At the end of the day, I will take elite college production, skill, technique and IQ over raw size and athleticism any day. 

Who wants to bet Garrett has more sacks and production than Barnett this season? Ill make a bet with you. 

 

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