Kicking choice is "a fluid process"

[Nails]

1 hour ago, *FreeFua* said:

Once of these kickers is traded or cut the Huddle's hype man Mr.Armah will most likely be back up and everyone can rest easy

NO ONE can rest easy unless it's GaNO out.

[Nails]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Unless they thought they could hold out for a better offer.

In the meantime, guys like Nick novak come available and the team that was ready to make us a half-decent offer pulls it and signs him or someone else.  We wind up cutting Gano or Butker and getting nothing in return.

That's what I fear is happening.

No one ever has nor ever will offer anything for a bum like Gano on an absurd salary.  We're not fooling anyone.

[Mr. Scot]

I'll add this. Oddball as it may be, the kicker situation is not the most ass backward aspect of this organization right now.  Neither is the quarterback depth, the runningbacks, the secondary, the receivers or any other part of the player roster.

It's the GM search.

Who in the hell puts a guy who's a candidate for a position in charge of choosing the other candidates?

"Okay, so I want you to find me some candidates for this job you're doing now, but if none of them pan out I'll probably just keep you.  So go out and find me the best options you can, okay?"

"Oh sure, boss.  I'll get right on that."

Right!

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Nails said:

No one ever has nor ever will offer anything for a bum like Gano on an absurd salary.  We're not fooling anyone.

No, but I fear we might be trying.

[Kevin Greene]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'll add this. Oddball as it may be, the kicker situation is not the most ass backward aspect of this organization right now.  Neither is the quarterback depth, the runningbacks, the secondary, the receivers or any other part of the player roster.

It's the GM search.

Who in the hell puts a guy who's a candidate for a position in charge of choosing the other candidates?

"Okay, so I want you to find me some candidates for this job you're doing now, but if none of them pan out I'll probably just keep you.  So go out and find me the best options you can, okay?"

"Oh sure, boss.  I'll get right on that."

Right!

Richardson is senile. He probably woke up this morning and has no recollection of Gettleman's stint as GM. Hurney's been here the whole time.

[top dawg]

17 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Frankly, when it comes to personnel, the last thing I want is our GM listening to Ron Rivera.

Back when we had Beane as an interim GM is when Rivera had the most say in personnel.  It wasn't pretty.

As we've stated before, Rivera has too great an appreciation for vets even well past their prime (like Derek Anderson) and gives too much credit to "try hard" guys with less talent (remember how much he liked Sione Fua?)

Heard an interview with a long time successful GM (forget which one) who said he was okay with coaches telling him what kind of players they needed but it was best if their involvement in the process stopped there.  He didn't like having coaches involved in choosing the actual guys because they tended to fall in love with guys off of a single highlight or a single game performance.  They weren't good at seeing the big picture.

Player evaluation is just not Rivera's strong suit.

Ask him what kind of players he wants?  Fine.

Involve him in the process of selecting them?  Hell no!

I didn't say that Rivera should actually choose the guys. That's a GM's job. But if it's obvious that we need an upgrade at a certain position to Rivera, Shula, or everyone (and I'm only being halfway facetious), then the GM should go out and find the upgrade based upon input from scouts and from coaches to a lesser degree based upon feedback from workouts. At least that's how I see it.

Rivera shouldn't have been put in a position to be a scout. That's not his thing. At the time, he was still trying to become an effective coach, much less a scout. That's not to say that he can't learn and pick things up over the years, but it's a GM's job to give the coaches the tools to manifest their vision. Beane was basically inexperienced himself, so it was the blind leading the blind. I think they've all learned from the experience.

[csx]

5 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I didn't say that Rivera should actually choose the guys. That's a GM's job. But if it's obvious that we need an upgrade at a certain position to Rivera, Shula, or everyone (and I'm only being halfway facetious), then the GM should go out and find the upgrade based upon input from scouts and from coaches to a lesser degree based upon feedback from workouts. At least that's how I see it.

Rivera shouldn't have been put in a position to be a scout. That's not his thing. At the time, he was still trying to become an effective coach, much less a scout. That's not to say that he can't learn and pick things up over the years, but it's a GM's job to give the coaches the tools to manifest their vision. Beane was basically inexperienced himself, so it was the blind leading the blind. I think they've all learned from the experience.

Why was Rivera a scout when we had a scouting department? Where did the idea of him as a scout come from? 

[Cats Pride]

18 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Unless they thought they could hold out for a better offer.

In the meantime, guys like Nick novak come available and the team that was ready to make us a half-decent offer pulls it and signs him or someone else.  We wind up cutting Gano or Butker and getting nothing in return.

That's what I fear is happening.

Waiting for a better offer for a KICKER? A fugging KICKER? Come On. If it is half decent you got to pull the trigger. Why don't they cut both and sign Novak?

[Swaggasaurus]

2 hours ago, Saca312 said:

These are times when Gettleman's roster management and expertise are sorely missed.

You can never convince me keeping 3 QBs and 2 kickers on the 53 is a good thing.

When you can't dress them all it really doesn't matter

[mc52beast]

Gano misses 3 field goals vs San Fran, one of which costs us the game=

Hurney extends him 5 years and "kicks" Butker to the curb

[top dawg]

2 minutes ago, csx said:

Why was Rivera a scout when we had a scouting department? Where did the idea of him as a scout come from? 

Not quite sure what you're trying to get at. Beane was the one making the decisions with supposed great input from Rivera if you believe what Scot is selling. I'm saying that if Rivera had such great influence upon personnel decisions, where he was in a a sense the defacto GM, or at least a co-GM for the period between Hurney and Gettleman, that's not really his fault. Notwithstanding that, it has been a few years and Rivera has had time to learn more about football in general working with Beane and Gettleman and his positional coaches, so it's not like his football knowledge has been stagnant. 

[Mr. Scot]

17 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I didn't say that Rivera should actually choose the guys. That's a GM's job. But if it's obvious that we need an upgrade at a certain position to Rivera, Shula, or everyone (and I'm only being halfway facetious), then the GM should go out and find the upgrade based upon input from scouts and from coaches to a lesser degree based upon feedback from workouts. At least that's how I see it.

Rivera shouldn't have been put in a position to be a scout. That's not his thing. At the time, he was still trying to become an effective coach, much less a scout. That's not to say that he can't learn and pick things up over the years, but it's a GM's job to give the coaches the tools to manifest their vision. Beane was basically inexperienced himself, so it was the blind leading the blind. I think they've all learned from the experience.

By all accounts, Rivera and Gettleman had exactly the kind of relationship you consider ideal.

All reports about their working relationship - including those from Rivera himself - indicated that the two of them were generally on the same page.

Rivera even admitted that the firing came as a shock to him. He didn't know a thing about it until he showed up for work Monday morning and was told the news.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Notwithstanding that, it has been a few years and Rivera has had time to learn more about football in general working with Beane and Gettleman and his positional coaches, so it's not like his football knowledge has been stagnant. 

Then why is he still making the same coaching mistakes he made as a rookie?

[csx]

4 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Not quite sure what you're trying to get at. Beane was the one making the decisions with supposed great input from Rivera if you believe what Scot is selling. I'm saying that if Rivera had such great influence upon personnel decisions, where he was in a a sense the defacto GM, or at least a co-GM for the period between Hurney and Gettleman, that's not really his fault. Notwithstanding that, it has been a few years and Rivera has had time to learn more about football in general working with Beane and Gettleman and his positional coaches, so it's not like his football knowledge has been stagnant. 

I'm asking how Rivera was being forced to scout when there was a scouting department for scouting? The core if which had been there a while.

Mr Scott wants to blame Rivera for something here. Looking at Whatever happened between Hurney and Gettleman is a poor attempt IMO. The team finished that year on a high note.