Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Just something I wanted to say about our offense


Ricky Spanish

Recommended Posts

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'll say what I've said elsewhere. Firing Shula doesn't go far enough. Rivera has too many issues of his own. 

If I were to try and look into the future right now though: Given that Rivera blames the players for everything that goes wrong I'd expect Shula will be retained and Rivera and Hurney will overhaul the roster (likely getting rid of a lot of Gettleman guys) to their liking.

And that'll probably go pretty much like you'd expect. 

I don't disagree. I think Rivera has overstayed his welcome as well. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Yes.

One of our biggest issues has been situational analysis and time management. In fact, we're definitely the worst in the league at that. No awareness from anybody with playcalls, actions, or even attitude.

No discipline. No one stepping up to pump everyone back up. Nothing.

We need a new HC before it's too late.

I got some bad news for you, it's already too late.  Look at the ages besides Luke, Bradberry, and Coleman on Defense.  We're not getting any younger man.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Make no mistake, we will get better. We will adjust and have some great games. Some games that will blow your mind at how easy we scored and demolished our opponent even though we weren’t expecting it. 

Thats the conundrum. We get hope every now and again and put on a masterclass performance. We just don’t do it when we should. When you think the odds are in our favor and we “should” perform, we lay an egg. 

Inconsistent, man. 

Well, let me say we are consistently inconsistent. Always have been. Mediocre, middle of the road franchise record. 

Now, I will say it’s nice not to be a consistent bottom feeder. That’s true. Some franchises suffer the lowest of lows. We are as up and down as you can get . 

We have potential. We just can’t seem to break through that wall. Coach/talent/philosophy/GM/OC.. etc 

Would be nice to get over the hump. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, arbnranger said:

Make no mistake, we will get better. We will adjust and have some great games. Some games that will blow your mind at how easy we scored and demolished our opponent even though we weren’t expecting it. 

Thats the conundrum. We get hope every now and again and put on a masterclass performance. We just don’t do it when we should. When you think the odds are in our favor and we “should” perform, we lay an egg. 

Inconsistent, man. 

Well, let me say we are consistently inconsistent. Always have been. Mediocre, middle of the road franchise record. 

Now, I will say it’s nice not to be a consistent bottom feeder. That’s true. Some franchises suffer the lowest of lows. We are as up and down as you can get . 

We have potential. We just can’t seem to break through that wall. Coach/talent/philosophy/GM/OC.. etc 

Would be nice to get over the hump. 

We had eleven years of "just good enough to avoid any major changes" (at least by Jerry Richardson's standards) before. 

Unfortunately, that's this team's MO. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, Hallin'AllDaeDae said:

You wouldn't want to give the offense, you know, somebody with any at all Yards After Catch ability first ? Cause you know, the only thing we've seen on YAC is Ed Dickson

That's why CMC and Samuel were drafted. We gave him a top 10 pick and a 2nd rounder for that exact purpose. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, Hallin'AllDaeDae said:

Yep, and turns out they both fugin suck. To this point.

Do they suck or have they not been coached properly and not been put in position to succeed? 

I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt at this point because I've long since decided that Mike Shula is fuging trash. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

22 minutes ago, Hallin'AllDaeDae said:

You wouldn't want to give the offense, you know, somebody with any at all Yards After Catch ability first ? Cause you know, the only thing we've seen on YAC is Ed Dickson

OK, first things first, Speed  Yac. If that were the case then Jacoby Ford, Darrius Heyward-Bey, and Tavon Austin would be All-pro world beaters.

Secondly, McCaffery is second in the league in YAC... So, we do have someone who is getting that Yards after Catch that you are talking about.

But I will agree, we do not get YAC from anyone else on the team, and that has more to do with our offensive scheme rather than the players on the field.

I'm sure someone else like @Saca312 could do a better job of explaining it, but the offensive scheme we run does not promote YAC in the routes our receivers run. We run a lot of outs and a lot of comebacks deep down the field. A lot of our offense is built on getting chunk yards and moving the chains. We very rarely run quick slants, which is a travesty because I think our receivers have the ability to produce in such a way. When KB runs a slant, it takes at least two guys to bring him down. As soon as he gets a full head of steam it's like trying to tackle a DE. Look up highlights of Benjamin running slants and watch people bounce off him. It's fantastic. But we don't do that often because it's not the way our offense is built. Every long TD we get, it's usually all air yards where the receiver tracks a bomb from Cam. The plays are not built to get guys open in space with the ball in their hand. 

With CMC and Samuel, we were supposed to see more YAC and we have, but it has been all CMC and no one else. Shula has not implemented that kind of thinking into routes run for anyone else it seems, and that's kind of crappy. 

So while I agree with your overall sentiment of wanting to see more YAC, getting the ball into our playmakers hands more often and seeing what they can do, I disagree that we don't have the personnel for it. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Folks, I can't even defend Shula at this point. I mean, nah, I got nothing. 

And honestly, if RR doesn't do the Old Yeller thing and take Shula out behind the shed, then I can't even defend RR anymore.

And I can't defend Cam anymore either. 

Shula's gotta go, Ron's gotta do it, and Cam has to at least make it looks like he wants to win after the mid-point of the second quarter. 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • We also have to consider cause and effect.  Maybe the reason we don't target TEs is not by design, it is due to personnel.  If we are going to use 12 (2 TEs) and 13 (3 TEs) sets to improve the run game, we need some TE options.  It is ridiculous to think we can do that without TEs who can run the seams and move the chains in the pass game.  I think that is the plan folks.  We ran 3 TEs about 1 in 12 plays last year, and we did not have the TE personnel to do that as effectively as needed.  If we had better TEs, we might run 3 TE sets more--say 10%, and 2 TE sets 20% of the time.  You always need the pass option when you do this, and frankly, nobody was scared with Tremble, Evans, and Sanders out there.  It is an area they are likely to address. 
    • Conspiracy theory:  They only spoke to one TE (based on the list I saw) and it was Joly.  They are telling us:  If we draft a TE, it will be day 3, and it will be Joly or we will stay with what we have.  
    • THE WALKER BACKGROUND Here is where this gets weird.  Walker is a serviceable LT who could benefit from Gilbert's experience and coaching.  However, he is known for below-average run blocking and frequent penalties.  As you know, a penalty from a LT is a drive killer. A former 7th round pick, Walker has outperformed expectations, but he still ranks around the middle of the pack when compared to other tackles.  Having said that, it seems as if the Panthers are banking on Walker for a year and will then make a decision on Ickey.  In Green Bay, Walker was the starter, but the Packers weren't exactly sold on him. While most people think the oft-injured David Bakhtiari retired in 2023, he really wanted to keep playing.  He was released on March, 11, 2024.  Walker stepped in and took the reserve LT job from Nijman in that 2023 season, but they were close--probably because Nijman was more of a swing OT.  However, Nijman was a free agent in 2024, so the Panthers signed him just a week after Bakhtiari was released, leaving the Packers only Walker to play LT.  A month later, the Packers drafted a LT in the first round, Jordan Morgan out of Arizona.  Most Packer fans believe that Morgan would have beat out Walker for the LT job in 2024, but he had some shoulder injuries and went to IR after 6 games. In 2025, when the Packers had an injury at G during the season, instead of putting Morgan in at LT for Walker as planned, they played Morgan to guard because Walker can only play 1 position.  The Packers currently project Morgan back to LT for 2026, which is probably why they did not seek to retain Walker, at least in part. Based on this history, it is safe to say this: Walker is better than Nijman. We have the benefit of them being on the same team in a direct competition to help us see that. Walker is probably closer to Ickey, except for the penalties.  That bothers me a lot.  Bryce sucks when we get behind the sticks, and a run-first offense with a poor run-blocking LT is not ideal.   Regardless, I think Ickey and the Panthers find themselves in limbo right now, so the Walker deal comes at a perfect time for the GM.  Gilbert, perhaps, can work on the penalties and maybe a TE like Tremble can help offset the run blocking issues, so maybe we can actually stay the course at OT.  Maybe we do not draft a LT--maybe we draft a RT to groom behind Moton.  Maybe we draft a C.  At LT, the Panthers do not want to overreact, especially if Ickey returns to form or Walker demonstrates improvement.  Depth is certainly a concern, but a solid RT can be that depth.   I doubt the Panthers draft a LT in rounds one or maybe two.  It seems we have bigger needs at Will LB, DT, TE, and maybe S.  
×
×
  • Create New...