Andrew Luck's Career is possibly over.

[KendrickPanther]

8 hours ago, hepcat said:

Panthers got lucky getting the far more durable Newton because the results would have been largely the same if Luck came to Carolina. The only difference between the Colts and Panthers is, the Panthers know how to build and play defense.

I'm pretty sure his career hasn't been the same since that Monday Night game vs. Luke and TD in 2015. So maybe playing for the Panthers would have spared him from our defense!

[pantherphan96]

If Cam wasn't a physical freak his career would probably be over as well considering how terrible we have been at protecting him and surrounding him with weapons on offense.

[JARROD]

Brissett would be a good young backup for Cam. 

As for throwing pick 6, his team sucks and he wants to be the guy,... remember Derek Anderson slinging it downtown for the Browns and going to the pro bowl to stay in front of Brady bust Quinn?

if he's here and he's a game manager on a good team he doesn't sling it into traffic so much. 

[TheCableGuy]

Luck should had came here when he had the chance. 

[Teach_Panther]

17 hours ago, pantherphan96 said:

If Cam wasn't a physical freak his career would probably be over as well considering how terrible we have been at protecting him and surrounding him with weapons on offense.

I don't really agree. Cam has taken a lot of hits, but most of them have been on designed run plays. There is big difference between that and getting lite up while standing in the pocket scanning the field.

[Mr. Scot]

23 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

Random drug checks for owners... now that could be quite revealing.

Unfortunately, there's no such thing as random dumbass testing. 

I f someone could invent that, they'd be doing humanity a favor. And the guy who believed that Ryan Grigson and Chuck Pagano just needed another year to grow together would probably make a great test subject. 

[Mr. Scot]

23 hours ago, General_Purr said:

No one saw this coming?

Can't speak for everyone, but I'd guess the numerous people who used to pine for us to handle Cam the way the Colts handled Luck probably weren't expecting this outcome. 

[pantherphan96]

46 minutes ago, Teach_Panther said:

I don't really agree. Cam has taken a lot of hits, but most of them have been on designed run plays. There is big difference between that and getting lite up while standing in the pocket scanning the field.

That's part of what I mean we I say the Panthers have failed to protect him. He has been used throughout his career here as the lead short yardage back and has been the most-used QB in terms of designed run plays. Those hits can be as dangerous if not more than blindside hits in the pocket.

look at how many hits he takes from guys flying in there. we have already seen his mechanics suffer from the pressure he constantly has to escape from due to our inability to find a suitable LT after Gross retired.

[Teach_Panther]

1 minute ago, pantherphan96 said:

That's part of what I mean we I say the Panthers have failed to protect him. He has been used throughout his career here as the lead short yardage back and has been the most-used QB in terms of designed run plays. Those hits can be as dangerous if not more than blindside hits in the pocket.

look at how many hits he takes from guys flying in there. we have already seen his mechanics suffer from the pressure he constantly has to escape from due to our inability to find a suitable LT after Gross retired.

I get what you are saying, but it is just not the same.  There is a difference between a tackle and a sack. RB's have the shorter tenures in the NFL, but that is not because they get injured, it is just because the league as a whole has devalued the position. They would rather cut a guy, and take their chances in the draft and free agency with the RB position. New England is famous for this. The numbers back this up in terms of the impact of the position on the outcome of the game and offensive productivity. A RB has to be an absolutely an ELITE, generational running back to get the treatment that a star QB, OT, DE, or Corner gets into today's NFL.

When Cam runs out of the pocket he is getting hit by smaller guys in the secondary. He is getting tackled.  A sack is something different, and there is a reason that, despite the relatively low percentage of all plays that end in a sack, teams value them so much. Other than a turnover, it is the most devastating non-scoring play in the game.  Sacks changes field position, they routinely cause turnovers, they disrupt the entire passing game, and they often pit the most vulnerable player on the field against the strongest and most explosively violent players on the field.  Scrambling for a first down on a designed running play can result in an injury (any play can result in an injury), but a 300 pound DL hitting a 230 pound QB that doesn't know it is coming is often the most violent play in football.  That's why franchise LT's are so valuable.

[pantherphan96]

Just now, Teach_Panther said:

I get what you are saying, but it is just not the same.  There is a difference between a tackle and a sack. RB's have the shorter tenures in the NFL, but that is not because they get injured, it is just because the league as a whole has devalued the position. They would rather cut a guy, and take their chances in the draft and free agency with the RB position. New England is famous for this. The numbers back this up in terms of the impact of the position on the outcome of the game and offensive productivity. A RB has to be an absolutely an ELITE, generational running back to get the treatment that a star QB, OT, DE, or Corner gets into today's NFL.

When Cam runs out of the pocket he is getting hit by smaller guys in the secondary. He is getting tackled.  A sack is something different, and there is a reason that, despite the relatively low percentage of all plays that end in a sack, teams value them so much. Other than a turnover, it is the most devastating non-scoring play in the game.  Sacks changes field position, they routinely cause turnovers, they disrupt the entire passing game, and they often pit the most vulnerable player on the field against the strongest and most explosively violent players on the field.  Scrambling for a first down on a designed running play can result in an injury (any play can result in an injury), but a 300 pound DL hitting a 230 pound QB that doesn't know it is coming is often the most violent play in football.  That's why franchise LT's are so valuable.

RB's have had a short shelf-life in the NFL for years because of the brutality of running into 300lb DL 20+ times a game. They are devalued now but RB's break down very early, which is why once a RB hits 30 people generally assume they are going to lose a step and become essentially useless.

I agree that any hit could potentially be the last one, whether it occurs in the pocket or running in the open field. But a 250lb safety flying into a QB getting wrapped up by another defender can be just as dangerous if not more than an 300lb DL hitting the QB in the pocket.

My point being that the higher the usage the more wear and tear on the QB and the more chances for injury. That's the reason why there has been such a focus on surrounding Cam with weapons to lessen his role as primary back in this offense. It's unfortunate that it took years for this front office to get serious about protecting its franchise QB. 

If Cam wasn't built like a DE his career would likely already be over, see RG3 and now Luck.

[Teach_Panther]

1 minute ago, pantherphan96 said:

RB's have had a short shelf-life in the NFL for years because of the brutality of running into 300lb DL 20+ times a game. They are devalued now but RB's break down very early, which is why once a RB hits 30 people generally assume they are going to lose a step and become essentially useless.

I agree that any hit could potentially be the last one, whether it occurs in the pocket or running in the open field. But a 250lb safety flying into a QB getting wrapped up by another defender can be just as dangerous if not more than an 300lb DL hitting the QB in the pocket.

My point being that the higher the usage the more wear and tear on the QB and the more chances for injury. That's the reason why there has been such a focus on surrounding Cam with weapons to lessen his role as primary back in this offense. It's unfortunate that it took years for this front office to get serious about protecting its franchise QB. 

If Cam wasn't built like a DE his career would likely already be over, see RG3 and now Luck.

Cam is certainly a unique athlete, but I think people a little overrate him as a runner from the position. Steve Young, Cunningham, Vick, McNair, Warren Moon, Daunte Culpepper, etc.  Cam is not even that unique to his generation. Russell Wilson, Alex Smith, Rodgers, and Big Ben are all examples who scramble and take a lot of hits moving around outside of the pocket.

[Eazy-E]

55 minutes ago, Teach_Panther said:

Cam is certainly a unique athlete, but I think people a little overrate him as a runner from the position. Steve Young, Cunningham, Vick, McNair, Warren Moon, Daunte Culpepper, etc.  Cam is not even that unique to his generation. Russell Wilson, Alex Smith, Rodgers, and Big Ben are all examples who scramble and take a lot of hits moving around outside of the pocket.

There has never been a runner like Cam in the NFL. Just look at the record books. 

[pantherphan96]

1 hour ago, Teach_Panther said:

Cam is certainly a unique athlete, but I think people a little overrate him as a runner from the position. Steve Young, Cunningham, Vick, McNair, Warren Moon, Daunte Culpepper, etc.  Cam is not even that unique to his generation. Russell Wilson, Alex Smith, Rodgers, and Big Ben are all examples who scramble and take a lot of hits moving around outside of the pocket.

He's Roethlisberger with more speed and agility, Vick with less speed and greater accuracy, etc.

Wilson, Smith, and Rodgers are all savvy QBs who can utilize their legs more than statues in the pocket like Brady, Brees, Ryan but none of them are called upon to run the read options or QB draws as consistently as Cam. RW avoids contact as much as possible due to his smaller stature while Cam can absorb the kind of hits that send guys like Luck to the IR.

[The Lobo]

I heard from Colts fans that Irsay said Lucks shoulder injury is all in his head...he isn’t out of there if his owner says this.