Cameron Artis Payne should start over J-Stew

[Ace_Aladdin]

On 12/28/2017 at 9:56 PM, kungfoodude said:

Actually, Stewart has a higher First Down Percentage than CMC this season. Stew is at 20.7% and CMC at 18.0%. They both also have the same number of 20+ and 40+ yard rushes, one. The averages do tell the story in our rushing game. I am willing to bet if you look at the rushes with no gain or loss stats, they are going to be pretty similar as well. 

That's not really an accident. If the whole story was that Stewart sucked and he was 100% the problem, CMC wouldn't have such a paltry YPC averages either. IMO, our problems stem mostly from scheme and OL issues. I would be willing to wager you could put a guy like Kamara back there, utilize him in the same way as CMC or Stew and the results wouldn't be tremendously better. 

Let me give you the Saints as an example. In the first four games, Ingram had a 4.0 YPC average, Kamara had a 6.2 YPC average and Peterson had a 3.0 YPC average. Those averages are now; Ingram at 5.0 YPC, Kamara at 6.2 YPC and Peterson at 3.5 YPC. The one thing that seems pretty clear with these numbers is that the Saints running game was having success, just not with Adrian Peterson. It's been pretty clear since then that AP is past his prime(something that is usually a pretty dramatic drop off for bigger RB's). In our case, both guys are performing pretty similarly, which is to say not very well. I don't think it is a stretch to say that is because we have just struggled as a team to run the ball, except for Cam Newton. In fact, if you remove Cam's production from our stats, we drop from a 4.3 YPC average as a team to 3.9 YPC. 

Again, my ultimate point is that we are going to struggle as a team from the RB position pretty much no matter who is back there because of the OL issues and scheme issues.

Some of that is true but the issue is the amount of carries given to J-Stew & his lack of explosiveness to hit the holes. 

Sometimes eye test tells you more than padded stats I’m willing to wager that if CAP got same amount of carries consistently his total yards would be about 1/3 more than J-Stew

[Ace_Aladdin]

I believe this guy is posting on Huddle, he doesn’t like his reduced role in the organization.

[Ace_Aladdin]

On 12/28/2017 at 8:05 PM, PantherNation123 said:

Because Stew hasn't been playing very well overall.  You have a guy in CAP who has shown flashes of explosiveness more consistently.  That is the sound logic.... Not saying you bench Stewart, but just give CAP a few more carries (than 0) and see what he does with him.  If he does well.... feed him the rock more.  Pretty simple really

Exactly he can get us the  20 + yds chuck plays and keep J-Stew fresh for Hammer time with Armah in the 4th qtr to seal the game.

 

[Ace_Aladdin]

On 12/28/2017 at 9:09 PM, kungfoodude said:

I just don't see how making a substantial switch in Week 17 is going to make a big impact. Futhermore, I really don't think I am a big believer in CAP. CMC is much more explosive than Stew but is only averaging 0.4/yards a rush more. IMO, the issues we have(OL injuries/play and scheme) are probably going to negate any perceived or actual benefits that giving CAP the bulk of Stew's carries offer.

That said, don't misconstrue this as being a Stewart fan boy. If we can jettison him in the offseason, I think it is high time to move on at that position.

We need to get CAP carries for the playoffs!

[WOW!!]

Armad, two tight end,  and Cap.. Should be what we're using especially with the situation at WR now..

[MBronson]

CAP is not that good, I really don't understand why everybody on here is all aboard the CAP train. He has had plenty of chances last year, and never had a breakout game. Pretty sure he only has only 1-2 total td's in the NFL. If he started the entire game, you all would be begging for Fozzy or even Stew to come back

[Shocker]

On 12/3/2017 at 6:05 PM, sanjay_rajput said:

Well I'm insisting CAP plays, call the FBI and make it happen.

Da Fuq

[Mikey815]

In my opinion cmc should be getting most of the carries. But someone like Cap needs to replace    Stew in short yardage

[JARROD]

What was cap fumble rate in college vs Stewart in college?

how many fumbles did Stewart have again this year vs the NFL average?

anyone here see these guys practice every day where they can better judge who’s better, Cap or Stewart?

all rhetorical  questions. It’s like always rooting for the backup quarterback to play.

CAP doesn’t start simply because he’s not better,... no other reason.

 

[Panthers8969]

Would like to see more from cap as well, but y’all are crazy if you are so certain he’s better than stew lol. 

 

Those who lnow about statistics, you need a sample size of atleast 30 for anything to be statistically significant. Does CAP have 30 carries this year? 

 

I agree stew stew is getting old but if he’s gonna lose carries to anyone this season it should be cmc. Next year I’m fine with cutting stew to save some money and have it be cmc cap armah as our 3 backs. Get fizzy out of here for sure none of this 4 rbs so we can’t roster a fb on game day nonsense 

[kungfoodude]

On 12/30/2017 at 11:43 AM, sanjay_rajput said:

Some of that is true but the issue is the amount of carries given to J-Stew & his lack of explosiveness to hit the holes. 

Sometimes eye test tells you more than padded stats I’m willing to wager that if CAP got same amount of carries consistently his total yards would be about 1/3 more than J-Stew

But that would also be suggesting that McCaffery is not explosive to the holes either, and I don't think that does pass the eye test. I don't think CAP is more explosive than McCaffery either, although they are different runners stylistically. The simplest and most logical explanation, especially when you do look at the statistics, is that our OL is struggling quite a bit to block well. Honestly, why should that be hard to believe? We are a turnstile at LT and the interior of our line has been banged up or under performed all year long. The changes we make to improve our running game probably aren't going to be found in our backfield, but rather up front. Perhaps if Ryan Kalil can continue to stay healthy, we will see some improvement. If I had to guess, that is probably why we are seeing so many Cam Newton runs. That is our most difficult running play to defend, by a wide margin. 

[kungfoodude]

On 12/30/2017 at 12:02 PM, sanjay_rajput said:

We need to get CAP carries for the playoffs!

My opinion on this is that we are looking too hard for a "savior" in a scenario where none really exists, given the circumstances. We just need the players we have to play to the best of their abilities and scratch and claw to survive. That's what we are left with at this stage in the game. After 15 games, I don't expect to see substantial differences in what we are doing with our scheme or personnel. That just leaves us with the the coaching staff calling the best games they can and our players executing and playing the best that they can.

[kungfoodude]

The CAP experiment is over. He is straight garbage.

[WarHeel]