Reshaping Newton

[Woodie]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I think this lends some credence to Igo's notion that the Panthers want somebody who has enough credibility to be able to tell Newton to sit down and listen up if need be. 

I don't really think Shula or Dorsey had enough power to do that.

I don’t think power is the right word, credibility seems to be a better fit to me. I don’t think  cam ever saw those two as being particularly credible. 

[ras977]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Whether or not we think it can be done doesn't matter much. 

It's whether or not Ron Rivera thinks it can be done.

More importantly--Can it be done ?

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I think this lends some credence to Igo's notion that the Panthers want somebody who has enough credibility to be able to tell Newton to sit down and listen up if need be. 

I don't really think Shula or Dorsey had enough power to do that.

But honestly, Cam really doesn't scramble all that much anymore. He did this past Sunday, but that's become out of the norm for him. Most of his runs are called runs.

I don't disagree that it might be helpful to have some coaches who can demand Cam's respect, but I don't think that will necessarily lead to him taking fewer hits in and of itself.

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Also, if they want to reshape Newton in a Norv Turner system which includes many 7 step drop backs as pointed out earlier they’re going to need to fix the LT position. 

There really isn’t a solution for that this offseason given the amount of money Kalil is due. Kalil was awful in Turner’s system in Minnesota as we all saw.

There are WR’s available through FA, draft and/or trade but the LT market isn’t there for us this offseason

Or they can shorten his drops, or his strides.

It's been pointed out that because of the sheer length of Newton's body, his seven step drops would be more like ten to another quarterback.

That means either you have to adjust how far Newton is going, or get his blockers used to the fact that he's going to be back further then they're used to.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Woodie said:

I don’t think power is the right word, credibility seems to be a better fit to me. I don’t think  cam ever saw those two as being particularly credible. 

Very possible. There was one time in particular on Sunday when Dorsey was sitting with Cam with the tablet trying to show him something and Cam could not have possibly seemed any less interested as he looked everywhere else in the stadium rather than at Dorsey and his tablet.

I honestly think Cam went into that Cam with a "damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead" attitude and just let 'er rip. Honestly, it's the only reason we had a chance.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Or they can shorten his drops, or is strides.

It's been pointed out that because of the sheer length of Newton's body, his seven step drops would be more like ten to another quarterback.

That means either you have to adjust how far Newton is going, or get his blockers used to the fact that he's going to be back further then they're used to.

Coaches can be unbelievably stuck in their dogmas. Everything is 3, 5, or 7 step drops. That's just the way it is. Why? Well, because that's just the way it is. Duh.

[gorillamilitia13]

I hope thats not the case. Cam’s 7 years into the league just gameplan around what he’s best at. Reshaping Cam at this point is the worst case scenario.

[ras977]

Just now, gorillamilitia13 said:

I hope thats not the case. Cam’s 7 years into the league just gameplan around what he’s best at. Reshaping Cam at this point is the worst case scenario.

Can't game plan what he's best at which is running.

Need to preserve his body.

[pantherj]

You have to have WRs who are so good that it's a better option to put the ball in their hands than for Newton to run it. We don't have anything close to that, and so we get designed runs for Cam and the option. It's the fault of Gettleman and our scouting staff that we don't have top quality WRs. We need a superstar WR who is lightning in a bottle and wants the ball in his hands. Ignoring the #1 WR position in Cam's prime has resulted in zero SB victories as one might expect. There is no reason to expect a SB win until we have a superstar dominant WR. Opposing teams will load the box and wait for incomplete passes and coverage sacks to close out the game until we get serious about WR. Gather up a large sum of money by letting go of what can be replaced in the draft, and go into FA targeting the best WR available.

[Fox007]

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[Fox007]

24 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Elway kinda.

I keep Elway with the Favre that I posted about...which is more staying the same. But there is a hint of that which is why you say kinda. But I like that you brought that up. Would we be getting that with Norv? Or who would be able to do that?

[Snake]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yep, if we want him playing into his mid-late 30s like many elite QBs, we have to start dialing back the number of hits he takes.

Well the funny thing is this. Without good movement in the pocket he is safer running but he will be much more healthy with good pocket movement. 

[Snake]

1 hour ago, Mikey815 said:

It was interesting that he said he wants an Oc who knows how to get his playmaker back into space. He referred to the 56 yard pass and run by cmc as an example of getting his fast back vs a linebacker. He wNts to see more of those type of plays

Well yeah and a real OC can do that. 

[ZoneRead]

1 hour ago, *FreeFua* said:

Better sign some real WR’s then if that’s the plan 

I 2nd that notion.