Some of that Kalil $ could have gone toward keeping Norwell

[ras977]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

I actually did a search for mentions of Eric Shelton in the last week.  The only one that came up was yours.

My recent focus has been on coaching hires.  That's what I'm interested in right now, plus of course any information about the sale of the team.

I mention Hurney occasionally, but I'd be willing to bet I cuold find at least a dozen posts (and probably more) where you talk about Gettleman for every one mention of Hurney.  Gettleman and Newton seem to be the only things you ever want to talk about.  And it's pretty clear you either just wanna argue with people or you're absolutely obsessed with both.

Rum's right.  It's tiresome, and it's boring.

Find some new material. dude.

 

 In the recent past, Scot has been a wealth of knowledge on coaching changes--thnxk Scot.

[grimesgoat]

39 minutes ago, TheRed said:

We acquired both Johnson and Shepard as a response to losing Ginn. Their special team value was supposed to be a bonus. But primarily we wanted them for their speed in the passing game. Suggesting we paid them to be a 5th or 6th option is just revisionist history. We signed them expecting an impact.

Which of Benjamin, Funchess, Olsen, McCaffrey, and Samuel do you believe we had him above in terms of targets.

[grimesgoat]

33 minutes ago, Toomers said:

   Jeremy needs to pin this to the top of the board so people will stop using term “out” or “escape” when referring to Matt Kalil’s contract.

 

 Matt Kalil will cost 14.7M dead money if we cut him AFTER this season. That’s not an escape, it’s a brick to the back of the head. 

  

As I said the minute he signed.....”This is a dark day in Panthers history”.

When we signed him, we felt he had potential.

He may still get better, possibly to the point his value equals his contract.

If not, we can spread the dead cap hit over two years.  Not ideal, but if his replacement is Moton or someone else we pick this year, our LT salary hit will not be that bad.  Add 1-1.5 mil to the 7.3 in dead cap.

The real downside is if he is still not the answer after 2018, we will not be able to replace him with a high priced free agent.

But you can have some dead cap and still succeed.  The eagles had 11.6m in dead cap this year (Daniel and Bradford) and they're in the freaking superb owl.

[grimesgoat]

1 hour ago, Cary Kollins said:

 

*insert something about not re-signing Ted Ginn*

wow - good call.

[Cary Kollins]

Just now, grimesgoat said:

wow - good call.

 

the sun coming up is less predictable than bigred

[grimesgoat]

11 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:

 

the sun coming up is less predictable than bigred

you are right. Just surprised he didn't somehow accuse be of overt racism or not appreciating Cam enough.

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, Toomers said:

   Jeremy needs to pin this to the top of the board so people will stop using term “out” or “escape” when referring to Matt Kalil’s contract.

 

 Matt Kalil will cost 14.7M dead money if we cut him AFTER this season. That’s not an escape, it’s a brick to the back of the head. 

  

As I said the minute he signed.....”This is a dark day in Panthers history”.

If that's correct,  then it's terrible.  Absolutely terrible! 

[Cary Kollins]

5 minutes ago, top dawg said:

If that's correct,  then it's terrible.  Absolutely terrible! 

 

it's not

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, TheCasillas said:

yea..... you nailed it...... lol

Riley : https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/riley-reiff/7029

Kalil: https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/matt-kalil/7010

both are not good and overpaid. But at least one has an escape after year 2 ;)

Well,  if I wasn't  so preoccupied trying to work,  I would have said that just because the market is filled with suspect LTs doesn't mean that you have to pay the normal going rate to anyone.  You let some other person do that,  and then you look for a value, even a Band-Aid if necessary. 

[top dawg]

1 minute ago, Cary Kollins said:

 

it's not

It is. 

[Toomers]

1 hour ago, Cary Kollins said:

 

it's not

If you can prove me wrong, then by all means do it. I’d be ecstatic to be wrong. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, ras977 said:

 In the recent past, Scot has been a wealth of knowledge on coaching changes--thnxk Scot.

I clearly need therapy.

[t96]

3 hours ago, top dawg said:

If that's correct,  then it's terrible.  Absolutely terrible! 

It's not correct. The contract is more complex than most here can understand. There would be dead money in 2019 but it'd be about $7M, and it'd only be 2019. His cap hit this year was approx. $3M and his cap hit next year is $7M. So it will have basically been a 2 year $17M deal but with the cap hit spread over 3 seasons. It wasn't a good signing, unless he starts playing at a high level this year (unlikely) you will not ever see me defend signing Matt Kalil. Whether it was DG or JR, I don't know and at this point don't care since it doesn't matter. But the contract was nowhere near as bad as some people think it was.

[t96]

1 hour ago, Toomers said:

If you can prove me wrong, then by all means do it. I’d be ecstatic to be wrong. 

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/matt-kalil-9814/

 

$7M dead money in 2019 if we cut him that offseason. $3M cap hit last year, $7M cap hit next year. Not nearly as bad of a contract as people here make it out to be.