David Newton talks about Tina Becker and the GM search

[iamhubby1]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Not all that surprising if certain things start becoming "declassified" with Richardson on the outs. I won't be shocked if we start hearing lots of other previously unknown stories in the days ahead.

 

    I am just wondering why you feel that all of a sudden these "Stories" will start to emerge? JR is selling, he is basically out the door. He has pretty much lost everything. Why wait until now to tell your story? Seems to me there is no reason those stories could not have come out sooner.

 

    JR has been here for 25+ years. I am sure there are stories. I guess I just don't understand why all these stories are about to see the light of day. I mean, I just can't picture folks all of a sudden lining up to tell their "Me too" stories.

 

    

    

[top dawg]

9 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's been reported by two different inside sources.

And Hurney's been falling on his sword for Jerry Richardson for years (Gantt's alluded to it many a time).  This is not a new thing.

Not quite sure why an employee would have to fall on a sword for an owner who can do what he likes without threat of any type of real recourse. Don't know why a GM would fall on his sword for an underling either.  I mean,  it's not like Rivera is Hurney's lovechild or something.   

All this stuff is just too unbelievable for me.  The bees are so busy that the tinfoil hats are clinking and ringing like chimes on a windy day.  You see it as a storm, but I see it as fast moving clouds, dissipating and clearing out on an early spring day.  

The beautiful smell of change is in the air,  and that includes Hurney 2.0---whether here for a while or just a few minutes.  Good things are on the way. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, Marguide said:

Sorry, but I'm with p55 on this. The Hurney falling on the axe scenario fails the logic test no matter what is being reported now.

If Hurney quit to protect Rivera (which makes no sense for starters) why has Rivera continued as coach through good times and bad?

Additionally, we have direct quotes from JR that he doesn't like paying 2 head coaches at the same time (why he didn't fire Fox) but now we should believe he changed his stripes just a couple of years later?

I'm not buying this. JR may be irrational, but he has generally been consistent in his approach re. coaches.

The year after Hurney quit, things got pretty good.

Back when he was GM, Gantt several times characterized Hurney as a super loyal guy who was willing to take the hit for pretty much anything.  It's generally acknowledged that Jerry Richardson ordered the massive purge prior to the lockout, and equally understood that Richardson was behind the huge contracts that were given out Oprah Winfrey style afterward.  Have you ever heard Hurney pass the buck for either of those things?

As to Richardson changing his stripes, he had never hired a consultant before either.  And there's a lot we don't know about what goes on behind the scenes.  For example, Rosinski's story about Richardson forbidding OC Jeff Davidson to even talk to Steve Smith.  That sounds way further out there than this in my opinion, but it's coming from a good source.

Again, you're not arguing with me on this.  You're arguing with two guys that have inside access to the team.  Tell me what reason they would have to make up something like this (and do so separately, I might add).

[Mr. Scot]

58 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

I am just wondering why you feel that all of a sudden these "Stories" will start to emerge? JR is selling, he is basically out the door. He has pretty much lost everything. Why wait until now to tell your story? Seems to me there is no reason those stories could not have come out sooner.

JR has been here for 25+ years. I am sure there are stories. I guess I just don't understand why all these stories are about to see the light of day. I mean, I just can't picture folks all of a sudden lining up to tell their "Me too" stories.

Because while he's still in power, he can still hurt you.

And Hub, we already know we've got several stories from people who endured sexual harassment and at least one that endured racism.  Those stories never would have seen the light of day either if not for Sports Illustrated, and I seriously doubt all of them have been told either (hence the NFL investigation).

Please tell me you're not gonna try to say that stuff didn't happen.

[Mr. Scot]

43 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Not quite sure why an employee would have to fall on a sword for an owner who can do what he likes without threat of any type of real recourse. Don't know why a GM would fall on his sword for an underling either.  I mean,  it's not like Rivera is Hurney's lovechild or something.   

All this stuff is just too unbelievable for me.  The bees are so busy that the tinfoil hats are clinking and ringing like chimes on a windy day.  You see it as a storm, but I see it as fast moving clouds, dissipating and clearing out on an early spring day.  

The beautiful smell of change is in the air,  and that includes Hurney 2.0---whether here for a while or just a few minutes.  Good things are on the way. 

Hurney 2.0 <> "good things on the way"

Tell me this, Dawg: Why would Voth and Newton make something like this up? 

This is a direct quote from Newton's article in the OP.

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He was fired as the GM after a 1-5 start to the 2012 season, and it was more like a mutual decision between him and Richardson to leave in an attempt to save Rivera’s job.

This isn't a fan theory. It's been stated by people who report on the team. 

If they're lying about it, tell me why.

[The Natural]

7 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Again dude, it's not insider unnamed sources.  Voth and Newton said it themselves.  They didn't cite anybody else.

Salty?  Nah.  I'm basically just sitting here watching you blow a gasket because people would rather believe reporters than you.

Frankly, it's gotten kinda weird.

Do you have a link? 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, The Natural said:

Do you have a link? 

Look in the OP.

The direct quote is a few posts above.

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Hurney 2.0 <> "good things on the way"

Tell me this, Dawg: Why would Voth and Newton make something like this up? 

This is a direct quote from Newton's article in the OP.

This isn't a fan theory. It's been stated by people who report on the team. 

If they're lying about it, tell me why.

I'm not saying they're "lying" about anything.  What I am saying is that that statement doesn't really make a bit of sense. 

Either JR got out of character,  became a softy, and decided making business decisions by using some of the oddest reasoning,  or some part of the story is being purposely left out. 

I mean, look at it.  The statement is so odd that the sentence structure appears odd (even though it's not). 

I mean,  I'm the owner and I tell my GM that the HC has got to go,  but the GM says, "No,  I'll quit instead."

You might buy this and take it at face value,  but I've lived long enough to know that that's not how life works.  People aren't that damned sacrificial. Why would you fall on a sword for someone that could get the axe a season down the road anyway?  Answer that question with any sensible rationale. 

[Mr. Scot]

19 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I'm not saying they're "lying" about anything.  What I am saying is that that statement doesn't really make a bit of sense. 

Either JR got out of character,  became a softy, and decided making business decisions by using some of the oddest reasoning,  or some part of the story is being purposely left out. 

I mean, look at it.  The statement is so odd that the sentence structure appears odd (even though it's not). 

I mean,  I'm the owner and I tell my GM that the HC has got to go,  but the GM says, "No,  I'll quit instead."

You might buy this and take it at face value,  but I've lived long enough to know that that's not how life works.  People aren't that damned sacrificial. Why would you fall on a sword for someone that could get the axe a season down the road anyway?  Answer that question with any sensible rationale. 

Because you hired them and you want them to succeed.

I'll ask you this: Would you work in a contract position without a contract? Hurney did for several years (per Gantt) and was always Jerry Richardson's most loyal employee.

Would you tell a coach he can't talk to one of his players? That certainly makes no sense, but we know Richardson did that to Jeff Davidson because of Bill Rosinski.

And let's be real: You can only speak for yourself on whether you'd be that sacrificial. Some people risk their lives to save strangers. Why is it that hard to believe someone who had already made plenty of money would step into what basically amounted to a retirement?

Sorry dude, but reporters with actual team access saying "this happened" trumps you saying you don't understand it.

[top dawg]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Because you hired them and you want them to succeed.

I'll ask you this: Would you work in a contract position without a contract? Hurney did for several years (per Gantt) and was always Jerry Richardson's most loyal employee.

Would you tell a coach he can't talk to one of his players? That certainly makes no sense, but we know Richardson did that to Jeff Davidson because of Bill Rosinski.

And let's be real: You can only speak for yourself on whether you'd be that sacrificial. Some people risk their lives to save strangers. Why is it that hard to believe someone who had already made plenty of money would step into what basically amounted to a retirement?

Sorry dude, but reporters with actual team access saying "this happened" trumps you saying you don't understand it.

Risking your life to save strangers,  and volunteering to get fired are two totally different things.  Seriously,  I've done the former  but laugh at the thought of doing the latter.  Completely different things. And people work without contracts all the time,  particularly for friends. I mean, most of us would jump at the notion of making six figures, contract or not. 

I understand what you're saying,  but I still say that the story is incomplete.  

 

[Moo Daeng]

Mr Scott's theories and logic are more out of touch than JR.  That is one thing that should be obvious by now.

[Jangler]

 

[Jangler]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

Risking your life to save strangers,  and volunteering to get fired are two totally different things.  Seriously,  I've done the former  but laugh at the thought of doing the latter.  Completely different things. And people work without contracts all the time,  particularly for friends. I mean, most of us would jump at the notion of making six figures, contract or not. 

I understand what you're saying,  but I still say that the story is incomplete.  

 

 

[Pimpdaddy]

...she know anything about running routes?