It's that time of the year for me.

[MHS831]

51 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

A non-top 10 DE won't contribute in year 1. DE is arguably our biggest need going forward and with Pep back this year we have the luxury of being able to groom one and redshirt one this year. If we wait until next year we may not have that ability if Pep retires. My problem with DE this year is I really just don't like the class that much. Rasheem Green is my favorite realistic target and I want him badly, whether in the first or second. But outside of him there's Davenport who probably won't be there at 24 and Key who may be the next Randy Gregory. Obviously Chubb is a stud but way out of reach. Don't really like the other prospects in the first 2 days. There are some later round guys who are intriguing but as any later round guy you can't count on them to be a solution. Green would be a huge addition even if we have to take him at 24. And he would see the field in the rotation. Pep is a situational player and Mario may play roughly 60-70% of the snaps? Lot of DE snaps to go around and we can upgrade on Horton and Cox.

DEs take time, which is your point, but the lack of talent  is the biggest reason we probably will not go DE in the drafft. We should have $50m+ in cap room next year, but that is because we are losing half our core---we have aged out. Olsen, Davis, RKalil, Adams, is a lot of talent to replace, especially when you have several second contracts to work on (Williams, Thompson, Funchess, maybe).

So, to your point, Addison will be 32 in September 2019, Horton is giving you his best football and is probably at his ceiling, Peppers is gone--And we will likely not pick early.  Hall will be entering his third year, but there are no signs that we should have confidence in him yet.

I would like to add that Marty may have to trade a lot this year during the draft.  We may have to address the needs (Olsen, RKalil, Adams, Davis) this year as much as we can so we can spend our cap re-signing our core and finding a veteran DE.

 

 

[Verge]

I think if you find a starting pass rusher for a 4-3 scheme at the bottom end of the first round, it would be 100 times more valuable than a zone corner honestly. 

[Verge]

He forwarded me his teams rankings at positions for you guys (Or rather, the scout teams consensus) 

Qb: 
1b. Josh Allen 
1a. Sam Darnold 
3. Josh Rosen 

Rb: 
1. Saquon Barkley 
2. Sony Michel 
3. Rashaad Penny 

Wr: 
1. Courtland Sutton 
2. Calvin Ridley 
3. DJ Moore 

Te: 
1. Mike Gesicki 
2. Dallas Goedert 
3. Hayden Hurst 

T: 
1. Kolton Miller 
2. Mike McGlinchey 
3. Connor Williams 

G: 
1. Quenton Nelson 
2. Isaiah Wynn 
3. James Daniels 

Edge: 
1. Bradley Chubb 
2. Harold Landry 
3. Marcus Davenport 

Interior Dline: 
1. Vita Vea 
2. Daron Payne 
3. Harrison Philips 

Lb: 
1. Tremaine Edmunds 
2. Roquan Smith 
3. Leighton Vander Esch 

Cb:
1. Denzel Ward 
2. Mike Hughes 
3. Carlton Davis /Jaire Alexander (They were split on the speedsters) 

S: 
1. Derwin James
2. Minkah Fitzpatrick 
3. Terrell Edmunds 


He really talked up Harold Landry and Carlton Davis, said people aren't mocking them high enough. 

[Saca312]

8 minutes ago, Verge said:

Harold Landry and Carlton Davis, said people aren't mocking them high enough. 

Lol Landry’s crazy good.

[Verge]

Just now, Saca312 said:

Lol Landry’s crazy good.

Yep, he was talking about Landry and Chubb in the same breath. 

[Verge]

Also, his team is preparing on all four of the top qbs going in the top 10. Doubt that is much of a surprise to anyone, but it is in the team's mind as well.  The fourth qb being Mayfiled, not Jackson. 

[ncfan]

6 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Lol Landry’s crazy good.

He's good, but he's not going to be a 4-3 DE.  He's 100% a 3-4 OLB.   That may the reason he is pushed down.   The scheme fit and teams drafting towards the top is a major reason he is falling on some mocks (I think he goes GB at 14.  A 3-4 team with a aging Matthews and need at edge rusher)

[Saca312]

1 minute ago, ncfan said:

The scheme fit and teams drafting towards the top is a major reason he is falling on some mocks

Disagree. He could absolutely fit as a 4-3 imo. If he drops to us he’s BPA imo.

[Verge]

1 minute ago, ncfan said:

He's good, but he's not going to be a 4-3 DE.  He's 100% a 3-4 OLB.   That may the reason he is pushed down.   The scheme fit and teams drafting towards the top is a major reason he is falling on some mocks

Nah, he can be a 4-3 end.

[ncfan]

10 minutes ago, Verge said:

Nah, he can be a 4-3 end.

I disagree, he really got pushed around and struggled mightliy when lined up hands down this year at times.  His big strength 2 seasons ago when he blew up came as a stand up rusher like Von Miller

Theres a reason all his comparisons are Vic Beasley, Bruce Irvin etc.  All OLB guys 

 

[Murph]

5 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Disagree. He could absolutely fit as a 4-3 imo. If he drops to us he’s BPA imo.

The Panthers brought scouts to his pro day but so did most of the teams drafting ahead of us. I would be surprised if he slid to 24. I think he can be a dominant 4-3

[Verge]

3 minutes ago, ncfan said:

I disagree, he really got pushed around and struggled mightliy when lined up hands down this year at times.  His big strength 2 seasons ago when he blew up came as a stand up rusher like Von Miller

Firmly disagree, thought he was most successful with his hand in the dirt, his arm length and speed off the go makes him really hard to throw off the line. 

[Reebis21]

Hmm no Josh Jackson or Will Hernandez? Proves how long I’d last as a scout...

[Verge]

8 minutes ago, Reebis21 said:

Hmm no Josh Jackson or Will Hernandez? Proves how long I’d last as a scout...

I imagine they are both first round guys