Head Coaches don’t grow on trees

[Navy_football]

Grass is not always greener - I agree.

The devil you know is better than the devil you don't - agree. 

One in the hand is worth more than two in the bush - yep still agree. 

But they're all conservative quotes for consistent mediocrity. 

With that said, I like Rivera. I think he's done a great job as HC of the Panthers. However, I don't think the team will ever reach their full potential because of his unwillingness to take chances and change with the game.

Sometimes you just have to come to the plate and swing for the fence. "F" it! Homerun or strike out. And I definitely ain't trying to outrun no grounder to third. 

 

[BigSyke]

6 hours ago, panthers55 said:

The idea that offense trumps defense and wins championships is totally backwards. Look no further than New Orleans with Brees or Indy under Manning. If offense won championships then Brees would have 5 rings instead of 1 and Manning would have had a bunch when he was in Indy. The only times that either got a ring was when their defenses played well to go along with their usual offensive outputs. When Manning got his ring in Denver is the defense that got it not the defense. 2 years earlier the Broncos were in the Superbowl with arguably one of the best offenses ever and got crushed by the Seahawks.

True, but Rivera defense has never really consistently shut down big passers. Most times the pass defense just flat out suck. 

Either a poor defense gets hot in playoffs for an offensive team like Saints/Colts or an elite one carries the team like Baltimore/bears.

Panthers are not an offensive passing team like colts and Ron has never fielded an elite defense like broncos2015/hawks2013 that can shut down elite passers.

 

 

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, BigSyke said:

True, but Rivera defense has never really consistently shut down big passers. Most times the pass defense just flat out suck. 

Either a poor defense gets hot in playoffs for an offensive team like Saints/Colts or an elite one carries the team like Baltimore/bears.

Panthers are not an offensive passing team like colts and Ron has never fielded an elite defense like broncos2015/hawks2013 that can shut down elite passers.

 

 

True you can make the playoffs with a great offense or defense but to win in the playoffs you have to have the great group continue with better results from the lagging group.

I get frustrated with Rivera's over reliance on zone schemes that guys like Brees just picks apart. And I didn't like Wilkes' predictable blitzing which exposed the secondary. 

I like an aggressive man scheme which pressures receivers off the line and gives the d line time to sack the quarterback. Sure you get burned sometimes but it beats the current dying by degrees as teams dink and dunk.

[FugAllY'all]

I know a lot of people like to blame Rivera for the SB loss, and I agree he did get out coached badly in that game, but a lot of poo happened in that game that had nothing to do with him. Cotchery had like 3 big drops that would have gone for first downs. I think Tolbert had a couple fumbles after having none on the season. There was a missed field goal. We just decided to just let a kick returner keep running after wrapping him up. Clean up our own poo and we win that game despite whatever mistakes Ron and his staff made.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

23 minutes ago, FugAllY'all said:

I know a lot of people like to blame Rivera for the SB loss, and I agree he did get out coached badly in that game, but a lot of poo happened in that game that had nothing to do with him. Cotchery had like 3 big drops that would have gone for first downs. I think Tolbert had a couple fumbles after having none on the season. There was a missed field goal. We just decided to just let a kick returner keep running after wrapping him up. Clean up our own poo and we win that game despite whatever mistakes Ron and his staff made.

At the end of the day, Denver's coaching staff decided to punch the Panthers in the mouth from the beginning of the game until the end.  The Broncos got into the heads of Carolina's players and those players started making uncharacteristic mistakes/errors.   

Ron and company failed to devise any special plays for the SB, much less have a "Plan B".  They chose to go with what they had done all season and rest on their laurels for two weeks.  

Hopefully, if Ron and Cam get another opportunity to compete for the championship, they won't be as complacent.

[Mr. Scot]

3 hours ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

At the end of the day, Denver's coaching staff decided to punch the Panthers in the mouth from the beginning of the game until the end.  The Broncos got into the heads of Carolina's players and those players started making uncharacteristic mistakes/errors.   

Ron and company failed to devise any special plays for the SB, much less have a "Plan B".  They chose to go with what they had done all season and rest on their laurels for two weeks.  

Hopefully, if Ron and Cam get another opportunity to compete for the championship, they won't be as complacent.

Say what you will about John Fox and his staff, but when they went into the locker room for the halftime of Super Bowl 38, they realized the Patriots were beating them, and they did something about it.

Dan Henning basically told the offense to throw out the game plan and they were starting from scratch.  Defense went to work on a similar idea.

Take note of that: Starting from scratch...at halftime...of the Super Bowl.

After you grasp the gravity and the enormity of that moment, then grasp this...

They pulled it off, and in the process turned that game into one of the best and most memorable Super Bowls of all time.

Now, John Fox, Dan Henning and Mike Trgovac weren't guys I'd classify as "elite" coaches by any stretch, but they went into the Super Bowl with not just a plan, but also something to fall back on.  Even though they didn't win, they coached their asses off and put us in position to almost win it at the end.

Now, with that memory in mind, look back just a few short years to 2015, and tell me what our current coaching staff did during the halftime of that Super Bowl.

 

Anyone?

 

Anything?

 

Anything at all?

 

Okay, cool.

 

Now tell me again about how Ron Rivera is a championship caliber coach.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Say what you will about John Fox and his staff, but when they went into the locker room for the halftime of Super Bowl 38, they realized the Patriots were beating them, and they did something about it.

Dan Henning basically told the offense to throw out the game plan and they were starting from scratch.  Defense went to work on a similar idea.

Take note of that: Starting from scratch...at halftime...of the Super Bowl.

After you grasp the gravity and the enormity of that moment, then grasp this...

They pulled it off, and in the process turned that game into one of the best and most memorable Super Bowls of all time.

Now, John Fox, Dan Henning and Mike Trgovac weren't guys I'd classify as "elite" coaches by any stretch, but they went into the Super Bowl with not just a plan, but also something to fall back on.  Even though they didn't win, they coached their asses off and put us in position to almost win it at the end.

Now, with that memory in mind, look back just a few short years to 2015, and tell me what our current coaching staff did during the halftime of that Super Bowl.

 

Anyone?

 

Anything?

 

Anything at all?

 

Okay, cool.

 

Now tell me again about how Ron Rivera is a championship caliber coach.

Nailed it.

Question is, has Ron learned his lesson?

[JARROD]

John Defilippo from Minni has my vote,..

Lets take a chance!

I love Minnesotas offense,... Cam would thrive in it.  I doubt Defilippo would hesitate to put Cam in a hurry up more, spread out the defense etc.

Tepper is a new owner, already gave us a headstart taking out that shield at midfield and signing Reid,..

so why the hell not?