Ron just staked his career (and potentially the season) on that playcall

[Mage]

Just now, PhillyB said:

because the difference between 20 points and 21 points is nominal compared to what happens if the lions kick a field goal, but the difference between 19 points and 20 points if you miss is winning and losing right away.

i don't know how else to explain it

Lets look at the best case scenarios for both.

Panthers convert 2-point: Panthers stop the Lions, Panthers win.

Panthers convert XP: Panthers stop the Lions, Lions don't get the ball first in OT, Panthers drive the field to kick another FG and/or TD, and Panthers stop the Lions on the next drive

Even if we ignored Gano's struggles today and his previous XP misses, do you genuinely believe the second scenario is so much more likely than the first that somehow Rivera's decision to go for it should be deemed "terrible"?

 

 

[MVPccaffrey]

The same posters blaming Ron for this playcall are the same that would be verbally licking Cam's tatertots if Cad had completed a backyard throw there

[Mage]

4 minutes ago, jopie87 said:

4th and 3 at their own 32, Lions down 1 with 25 seconds left, do they go for it?

4th and 3 at their own 32, Lions tied with 25 seconds left, do they go for it?

That is the difference. You force them to be more aggressive if they are down 1.

How in the hell am I supposed to answer this when you present a scenario that sounds unlikely?

Lions would have likely gotten the ball at the 25 yard line assuming a touchback.  If somehow the clock was already down to 25 seconds and they had only mustered 7 yards and it was 4th down while still only being at their 32 yard line, then I'm fully confident they won't get into FG range in time.

[Mage]

4 minutes ago, jopie87 said:

Approach is far different when tied versus down 1.

On 4th down, sure.  The Lions 100% are trying to score on the first 3 downs.  Maybe they don't go for it on 4th, but with a minute left, you act like they'd have time to convert 2-3 4th downs.  Even with 2 timeouts that would be a stretch.  If we're up 1 and forcing them in 4th down situations, I trust our chances.  It would ultimately be a 1 play difference.

[MechaZain]

Going for 2 was fine. Passing instead of running Cam, literally the best QB of all-time for this particular situation, is fireable stupidity. 

Ron had three options and went with the one with the lowest probability of success. Get him out of here, man.

[ickmule]

57 minutes ago, tarheelpride said:

We aren't winning the division now unless New Orleans poops the bed from here on out.

Lol.  Weren’t winning it anyway.   

[1919Eternal]

7 minutes ago, Mage said:

Lets look at the best case scenarios for both.

Panthers convert 2-point: Panthers stop the Lions, Panthers win.

Panthers convert XP: Panthers stop the Lions, Lions don't get the ball first in OT, Panthers drive the field to kick another FG and/or TD, and Panthers stop the Lions on the next drive

Even if we ignored Gano's struggles today and his previous XP misses, do you genuinely believe the second scenario is so much more likely than the first that somehow Rivera's decision to go for it should be deemed "terrible"?

 

 

LOL, you left off the worst case scenario which we just experienced.   I doubt that anyone argues the odds were against us to win in every scenario including making the 2 point conversion.  The decision to go for 2 just decreased our odds of winning the game because 2 point conversions are difficult and are far less successful than kicking an XP. 

[Mage]

10 minutes ago, 1919Eternal said:

Gano's XP conversion is 92.3% this year vs Carolina's 2 point conversion rate of 50% this year.   The next drive is meaningless if you don't convert the the 2 point conversion.  You are cutting you are odds to win by almost 50%.  Even if we had made it, the Lions would still have a chance to win by scoring a field goal making the risk meaningless.  If we had gone to OT, we would still have a shot but we will never know because it was a stupid move. 

The next drive is meaningless if we miss the XP.  The XP is meaningless if they score on their first possession in OT.  The XP is meaningless if we don't score in OT.

We only had to do 1 thing if we convert the 2pt.  We had to accomplish a multitude of things if we kicked the XP.  

Look, I'm not even arguing that kicking the XP would have been bad.  I was fine either way.  My problem is arguing that going for 2 is somehow a moronic decision.  A 2 is less odds than an XP, but when you consider we also would have needed to score and/or stop them in OT with the XP?  It's about the same.

[fjblair]

18 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

because the difference between 20 points and 21 points is nominal compared to what happens if the lions kick a field goal, but the difference between 19 points and 20 points if you miss is winning and losing right away.

i don't know how else to explain it

It's so simple, it boggles the mind.

[Mage]

Just now, 1919Eternal said:

LOL, you left off the worst case scenario which we just experienced.   I doubt that anyone argues the odds were against us to win in every scenario including making the 2 point conversion.  The decision to go for 2 just decreased our odds of winning the game because 2 point conversions are difficult and are far less successful than kicking an XP. 

What dude?  I left off the worst case scenario for both, so don't try to act like I'm being selective.  The worst case scenario is the same for both (we lose).

And 2 point conversions are more difficult, yes.  But you keep making it seem like the XP was the only thing that determined if we win.  In the best case scenarios I posted for each, which one seems more difficult to you and would require more?  2 yards and stopping them on the next drive, or an XP followed by stopping them on the next drive and then everything that would need to be done in OT?

[1919Eternal]

2 minutes ago, Mage said:

It's about the same.

It is really not about the same.  Not even close.  

[Wolfpredator]

52 minutes ago, jtm said:

People here complain when Ron isn’t Riverboat Ron and then complain when he is and it doesn’t work out. 

The 2 pt was the right call and Cam just made a bad throw. 

Was it rons call to promote Washington as our defensive coordinator?

[Mage]

2 minutes ago, fjblair said:

It's so simple, it boggles the mind.

Yes, if we completely ignore overtime, it's simple. 

So you think kicking an XP, stopping them on the final minute, and stopping and scoring in OT is considerably easier than scoring from 2 yards out and stopping them on the next drive?

[emhoward]

58 minutes ago, bab270 said:

A successful 2 point conversion would have made it MORE likely that they got the field goal than a successful XP because they would have had more urgency and would have played all 4 downs. So dumb. Too much time on the clock and all 3 time outs. Terrible. 

The more I think about it, the more I agree with this, but....

It also makes a QB like Stafford press because he HAS to get into scoring range, maybe he makes a mistake trying to get down field.

Idk