ICYMI (or chose to ignore it): 25/37 (67.5%) | 357 Yards | 3 TDs | 1 INT

[ncsfinest21]

Looking at the replay of the 2 pt conversion. It was actually a difficult pass. The defender at the line was right in the line of wright. He actually got his arm up and Cam tried to get it above his hand and put it where only Jarius could get it. Personally I think Cam is playing great but I think he is also out of his element. Cam I know wouldve took it in himself. DBs backs was turned and he had time to run. It's part of Cam being Cam that he enjoys and due to everybody wanting him to prove himself in the pocket, he is electing to stay in the pocket. Cam has to take off with that. But thats more of a mental thing for Cam. Other than that he played lights out and defense stunk it up. No turnovers the past two weeks and we are getting ambushed by every play.

[Cary Kollins]

The stat that should stand out the most is Cam only rushed 2 times for 2 yards. Clearly Rivera has made the decision to stop Cam's rushing. We go through this like once every season. Next game Cam will probably rush for 75 yards and we'll hear all about how, "We're at our best when we let Cam be Cam."

Rivera is fugging inept.

[TheRumGone]

11 minutes ago, TheRed said:

That's the thing. Even homers like me agree he has to make that throw. But there's soooooo much more to it from that game than just that one moment.

Is it that or is it more likely there are issues between defensive players, and the staff? From my perspective the lack of intensity is either like you said suddenly some of our top players either became pussies or they aren't buying into the gameplan anymore. My personal opinion, I think a rift has developed between a number of players on the defense and the coaching staff.

Tbh I think more folks here should dig a little deeper into the dynamic that happened with CJ Anderson. I'm really beginning to think that was some sort of warped message from Ron to the team. You see what Rivera said about Cam at the end of the game. This is the same guy that benched Newton over a tie. He's had a penchant for trying to show his authority over the years. If my suspicions are correct, none of this is going to improve this season. We will have to wait until the offseason to see what shakes out. But if this is the case, Rivera needs to be replaced.

I dont know for certain but I don’t think Luke is shallow enough to stop playing for a coach. Him and cam and honestly Christian and a couple others don’t have that in their dna. I think Luke is not use to not having a defensive line that can eat up blockers so you see him throwing temper tantrums on the field. It’s embarrassing and I was embarrassed for him. Dude is a seasoned veteran throwing his teammates under the bus on the field. He needs to step up and take accountability because that third down play was the lowest I’ve ever been on Luke ever. Our two leaders are Cam and Luke. Cam has NEVER given up like that ever and showed me that Luke has been coddled with talent around him while Cam lifts up subpar talent around him. Maybe I’m going too hard on Luke but it was SHOCKING to witness all of that. 

[jtm]

I'm not even sure how anyone can defend Cam on that last throw.  He had all day to throw the ball and missed a wide open receiver. 

I'm not solely putting the loss on Cam, but he still has to make that throw and there isn't any excuse for missing it.    

[TheRed]

5 minutes ago, jtm said:

I'm not even sure how anyone can defend Cam on that last throw.  He had all day to throw the ball and missed a wide open receiver. 

I'm not solely putting the loss on Cam, but he still has to make that throw and there isn't any excuse for missing it.    

I've seen your posting history regarding Cam. You are the type of dude who relishes that moment of seeing him fail.

I'm tired of you cowards tap dancing around it. Nut up, and embrace it, and show it, or just stop showing up here already like we don't know what you really are. No one is fooled anymore.

[tiger7_88]

10 hours ago, emhoward said:

These are the one's that say today's loss was not on Cam, but he should have made that last throw. 

And the people who keep saying this (because they oh so do want to point out how unbiased and righteous they are, you didn't point that out) still won't explain how Cam was supposed to make anything BUT a high throw there with the Detroit DT with his hands up in the throwing lane that was spying Cam (and not rushing the passer) for that full play.

Oh no, they don't want to bother with that kind of explanation.  They just want all that delicious credit for being "unbiased" and "calling balls and strikes as they see'em" don't they?  Golly, I wonder why these righteous "unbiased" people don't want to address any part of that play but the throw itself in isolation (like Ronde Barber did after the throw)?  Hmmmmm..

[TheRumGone]

2 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

And the people who keep saying this (because they oh so do want to point out how unbiased and righteous they are, you didn't point that out) still won't explain how Cam was supposed to make anything BUT a high throw there with the Detroit DT with his hands up in the throwing lane that was spying Cam (and not rushing the passer) for that full play.

Oh no, they don't want to bother with that kind of explanation.  They just want all that delicious credit for being "unbiased" and "calling balls and strikes as they see'em" don't they?  Golly, I wonder why these righteous "unbiased" people don't want to address any part of that play but the throw itself in isolation (like Ronde Barber did after the throw)?  Hmmmmm..

He should’ve made the throw. It’s expected of him. End of story.

[tiger7_88]

1 hour ago, joemac said:

Are you sure you were watching the same play?  No defensive lineman had their hands up in Cams face.  I heard people talking about that here, so I went back and watched.  There were no hands up and no hands in his face.  Cam just missed the throw.  His feet wernt set, and he threw off his back foot, which caused the pass to sail high and outside.  Its not a mystery.

Look again and read what I have been writing and not what the voice in your head is telling you.  I never said there was a DL in Cam's face, I said there was a DT in Cam's throwing lane to Wright that had his hands up.

[tiger7_88]

1 hour ago, TheRumGone said:

He would tell you the same.

Of course he would.  He's being doing that since his first game whether it was his fault or not.  He takes the mistakes of the team upon himself EVERY DAMN TIME.

Unlike Ron "I would have taken a shot too" Rivera.

[tiger7_88]

58 minutes ago, ncsfinest21 said:

Looking at the replay of the 2 pt conversion. It was actually a difficult pass. The defender at the line was right in the line of wright. He actually got his arm up and Cam tried to get it above his hand and put it where only Jarius could get it.

Thank you.

Most in here are just going off Ronde Barber's post-play commentary rather than actually watching the damn play.  Lots and lots of moving parts on that play (some of them moving badly) other than just the damn throw.

BUT CAM!  Because it always is, isn't it?

[TheRed]

Well that's the issue. Of course Cam Newton would tell you he needs to make that throw regardless of the circumstances. He's absolutely never been one to shy away from his responsibilities as the franchise QB.

Yet the same posters here show up every single time he fails just to say I told you so.

So that leads me to this question. How many of these posters that show up to almost gloat about Cam missing that throw failed to show up to congratulate him on the comeback win against the Eagles? How many of them came here to thank him for even somehow dragging us to the playoffs last year despite very little running game outside of calling his own number? Crickets? Yep. That's what I thought.

[tiger7_88]

8 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

He should’ve made the throw. It’s expected of him. End of story.

So he's expected to throw passes *through* defensive tackles now.

Good to know some of y'all have realistic expectations for the man.

[Carl Spackler]

Just now, TheRed said:

Well that's the issue. Of course Cam Newton would tell you he needs to make that throw regardless of the circumstances. He's absolutely never been one to shy away from his responsibilities as the franchise QB.

Yet the same posters here show up every single time he fails just to say I told you so.

To be fair, there are fans in every city who act this way. I spent a summer in Cape Cod in college and my buddies, all Patriots fans of course, wouldn't hesitate to tell me that there were some fans who thought Cassel was better than Brady and that they should trade Brady for 4-5 first-round picks. 

[Carl Spackler]

1 minute ago, tiger7_88 said:

So he's expected to throw passes *through* defensive tackles now.

Good to know some of y'all have realistic expectations for the man.

I'm not disagreeing, but do you think his pass was on target? I believe he'd tell you it wasn't.