Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Cam haters, what could we realistically get in a trade for Cam?


Trill OG

Recommended Posts

This is a question for the people who have suggested we think about trading him. I would never trade him because he is my favorite player in the NFL and the reason I root for the Panthers. But lets say if we shock the league and put him on the trade block what would he fetch and what teams would be interested?

I could easily see the Giants/Jaguars/Bengals being at the top of this list as those are teams who have a playoff roster and could use a franchise QB like Cam Newton. I think those 3 teams would easily give up 2 1st round picks and possibly more for a 29 year old QB.

 

Cam bashers what you think?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'm not in favor of trading Newton, but there are two things I think we have to admit.

1) With a new owner, likely a new coach and possibly a new GM next season, his being traded is an actual possibility.

2) Even if he isn't traded next season, Tepper may not be willing to break the bank for his next contract.

There is the real possibility that next season's Panthers will be run by a group of leaders who have no ties to Newton's drafting or his previous career here. The notion that they may want "their own guy" is not out of the question.

Me? I wouldn't trade him. If I did, I'd be looking at something like the Herschel Walker trade as a template.

The more likely scenario for parting ways with Newton though comes when his contract is up. Tepper's Steeler background makes it less likely he'll spend crazy money on any position, quarterback included. if Newton and his agent are looking for a record contract, Tepper might not be willing to oblige.

Sorry folks, but much as it sucks to admit, whether we want it or not, yeah it could happen.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If m not in favor of trading Newton, but there are two things I think we have to admit.

1) With a new owner, likely a new coach and possibly a new GM next season, his being traded is an actual possibility.

2) Even if he isn't traded next season, Tepper may not be willing to break the bank for his next contract.

There is the real possibility that next season's Panthers will be run by a group of leaders who have no ties to Newton's drafting or his previous career here. The notion that they may want "their own guy" is not out of the question.

Me? I wouldn't trade him. If I did, I'd be looking at something like the Herschel Walker trade as a template.

The more likely scenario for parting ways with Newton though comes when his contract is up. Tepper's Steeler background makes it less likely he'll spend crazy money on any position, quarterback included. if Newton and his agent are looking for a record contract, Tepper might not be willing to oblige.

Sorry folks, but much as it sucks to admit, whether we want it or not, yeah it could happen.

Sure, all that is possible. Just like it’s possible I find an envelop full of cash in the parking lot on my way to work.

Tepper wants to win. Trading away m/moving on from your franchise quarterback while he is right smack dab in the middle of his prime hasn’t exactly proven to be a recipe for winning.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

31 minutes ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

Cam is more than value on the field. He is marketing and brings a ton of value off the field and on the business side

Yeah I agree, he is box office. He has hype surrounding him, that along is worth 2 1st round picks. Then his on field value is worth a couple of more picks or possibly a good player.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

24 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

I typically don't ask dumb people and/or racists to expound on their thoughts. 

It wouldn't be fun if we didn't make them feel part of the discussion. These is like an early Christmas gift for them, lets let them have fun in this pipedream thread.lol

Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 minutes ago, mjligon said:

Sure, all that is possible. Just like it’s possible I find an envelop full of cash in the parking lot on my way to work.

Tepper wants to win. Trading away m/moving on from your franchise quarterback while he is right smack dab in the middle of his prime hasn’t exactly proven to be a recipe for winning.

Technically, the Broncos won a Super Bowl after parting ways with Jay Cutler.

The wild card here is Newton's shoulder. If it turns out to have significant damage by the end of this season, the concept of parting ways with him becomes very real.

I don't really believe that will happen though.

Now, Tepper being unwilling to shell out a huge contract when Newton's current deal ends? That, I think, is a very realistic scenario.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Technically, the Broncos won a Super Bowl after parting ways with Jay Cutler.

The wild card here is Newton's shoulder. If it turns out to have significant damage by the end of this season, the concept of parting ways with him becomes very real.

I don't really believe that will happen though.

Now, Tepper being unwilling to shell out a huge contract when Newton's current deal ends? That, I think, is a very realistic scenario.

I think that second part only manifests itself IF Newton’s shoulder is indeed injured beyond repair and something he’ll just have to deal with/manage moving forward.

The wildcard is the way the NFL is now. If Tepper is as “analytical” as he says he is and teams continue to prove they can have immediate success with QBs on rookie deals then yeah there is probably a case to be made.

All still seems very unlikely, at least for right now.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, mjligon said:

I think that second part only manifests itself IF Newton’s shoulder is indeed injured beyond repair and something he’ll just have to deal with/manage moving forward.

The wildcard is the way the NFL is now. If Tepper is as “analytical” as he says he is and teams continue to prove they can have immediate success with QBs on rookie deals then yeah there is probably a case to be made.

All still seems very unlikely, at least for right now.

The Steelers don't have to break the bank because they draft well enough that few players have any leverage against them.

So if, sometime in the next two years, we use a high draft pick on a quarterback, might be a reason.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • In before: "XL sucks, there is no hope." "As long as we have Bryce, none of this matters." My response: "It's X, not XL...we're not discussing apparel sizes, or we'd have to consider XS."  
    • Alain Pierre provides some food for thought on Last Word On Sports regarding Xavier Legette, and his article, though specifically on X, kind of puts me in the mind of QBs being overdrafted and put into situations that they're not prepared for, some ultimately failing due to drafting missteps by front offices who don't necessarily view prospective players within the contextual importance that situations demand.  At this point, Legette looks like a failure in reference to expectations, of not only what a consistently productive NFL receiver looks like, but a first round pick (which he obviously should never have been). But the story on X isn't necessarily completely over. Damn. I seem to be experiencing deja vu...It wasn't X's fault that he was overdrafted, that was a choice by an FO that obviously downplayed actual realized skill vs outstanding measurables and upside. Sure, the FO was impressed by X's one-year feats during his senior season at South Carolina, but it was the NFL god, RAS (a.k.a. Raw Athletic Score), that had Dave Canales's and Dan Morgan's jaws dropping in amazement at the sight of X running around in underwear at the Combine...   "At 6-foot-3 and over 220 pounds, Legette brought rare athletic upside to the position. His breakout season at South Carolina showed flashes of dominance that NFL teams dream of. Projecting forward, many scouts compared his physical profile to D.K. Metcalf, and the Panthers clearly believed they could develop him into a true wide receiver 1 over time. The issue was never his talent. The issue was the timeline. Just a few picks later, the Chargers selected Ladd McConkey, a receiver who may have lacked Xavier Legette’s physical ceiling but entered the league far more technically refined. McConkey immediately showed advanced route discipline, leverage awareness, good pacing, and separation ability.  Bryce Young’s game has always depended on timing and anticipation. His best football at Alabama came with receivers capable of winning through precision rather than pure athleticism. Jameson Williams and John Metchie III were excellent route runners and were able to get drafted in 2022. McConkey naturally fit that style of play. Legette, meanwhile, needed significant development in the exact areas where Bryce Young needed help. The Panthers drafted traits when Bryce Young needed reliability."   Yes, the FO was guilty. The good thing is that the execs appear to be improving. Some of that may be attributed to the hiring of Eric Eager (who was hired right after the Xavier Legette draft). Eager seems to have helped the Panthers FO fine-tune their analytical progress, and, at least on paper, they acquired players with a lot of value during the last draft in regards to actually (what I'll refer to as) "underdrafting" talent relative to their position with value already built in.  Look at Chris Brazzell: He may be more of the quintessential project receiver who was arguably more or less just as raw as Legette was when he was drafted, and with a relatively high RAS as well. The notable difference is value, as Brazzell was a round three pick and Legette was a first rounder.    "Unlike the Xavier Legette situation, Carolina’s environment for Brazzell is completely different. "The Panthers are not asking a raw receiver prospect to stabilize this offense for Bryce Young. "Brazzell enters a much healthier developmental situation with far less pressure. With Tetairoa McMillan established as the primary target and Jalen Coker continuing to settle as the number 2 option...Xavier Legette, Metchie III, and Jimmy Horn Jr. are also still in this rotation, fighting for reps. "It gives Carolina something they failed to give Legette when they drafted him: A developmental runway. "Xavier Legette entered the league with expectations attached to a first-round pick and an offense desperate for answers. Brazzell enters a room where he can spend a year working on his route running, learning the playbook, and earning snaps gradually rather than being asked to become part of Bryce Young’s solution immediately. "And truthfully, Brazzell needs that time coming out of college. Despite his elite physical tools, many evaluators have several concerns about his overall polish as a receiver. "His route tree at Tennessee was viewed as fairly limited due to the type of offense that they run. The receivers are expected to run a lot of choice routes, which are dictated by the placement of the defenders. It doesn’t require technical route-running and an understanding of the playbook needed at the NFL level...   "Context changes significantly when expectations change. "The Panthers are not depending on Brazzell to save the offense. They can allow him to develop slowly, expand his route tree, improve his technical refinement, and learn behind a much more stable receiver room... "Traits become much easier to bet on when patience is built into the plan."   It's all about understanding your situation. I don't agree that it's an inherently difficult choice like the author is suggesting in the following excerpt. At the very least, I think that it should be easier as long as all parties involved stay levelheaded and true to their process.    "That is what makes these draft decisions so difficult. "Every front office believes it can find the next Metcalf, Owens, or Marshall. Sometimes they do. More often, they are betting on a development path that may take years to complete. "The challenge is understanding what your offense needs right now. "If a team has patience, stability, and a quarterback capable of carrying the offense while a receiver develops, betting on traits can make sense. But if a young quarterback needs immediate help, there is a strong argument for prioritizing the receiver who already knows how to separate, create throwing , and earn trust from day one. "That’s why the Xavier Legette-Ladd McConkey debate remains so fascinating. "It was never really a discussion about talent. It was a discussion about timing."   For me, Ladd McConkey was talented enough in his own right, that the gap--the upside--was never as big as people are suggesting between not only McConkey and Legette, but McConkey and other receivers drafted in the first round during that draft. The technique divide between Ladd and X was pretty stark though, as was the roughly 35 pounds, but the speed was identical, the maybe 1½ height difference isn't huge (6' and 6'1"), and it may surprise some that Ladd's RAS (9.34) was also enough to put him in the top 10 percent of receivers since 1987. There is an argument that he would've been a better pick for Bryce and the Panthers, regardless of timeline and talent. But, I still appreciate the thesis (if you will) of the article, as it still provides some hope--perhaps a glimmer at this point, that X's RAS may finally translate to the NFL given more time, but, perhaps more importantly, it explains how Dan Morgan and company are showing improvement, even if it appears somewhat understated. My hope is that continued improvement is palpable by this time next year. https://lastwordonsports.com/nfl/2026/05/30/xavier-legette-draft-lessons/#google_vignette        
    • Won’t stop until people stop buying overpriced poo.
×
×
  • Create New...