Concerns about Newton's future...

[bobsfoodbasics]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Don't know anything about any of that.

I do know that Joe Douglas, the guy Kyle Bailey mentioned as a possible GM option, would be a home run choice.

Yes Joe Douglas would be a great hire. He's worked his way up from an unpaid internship under Ozzie in Baltimore.

Only issue if the Eagles can hold onto him like they did last season.

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

my worst fear is that tepper is unwilling to clean house because he doesn't want to look reactionary and over involved but we're not talking about a 1st year coach here. really hope he doesn't believe giving rivera another year makes himself look more mature because it won't.

I may cry.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

If Tep doesn't clean house, I'm not sure that I'm OK with him buying the team.

This place is in need of a good scrub down.

 

if the ultimate answer is that he replaces Hurney with a guy like Omar Khan or Joe Douglas and lets them make the decision on Ron Rivera, I can live with that.

[Icege]

With what little information we do have, it's understandable to be concerned. We've heard that the shoulder is neither improving nor declining, we've watched it affect Cam's passing, and we've seen that defenders noticed it as well.

Cam is an insane talent, but if his body is starting to break down from the wear and tear of what has been demanded of him by the coaching staff over the years then there needs to be evaluation on a potential replacement. The team is in a difficult position because with the rumours floating around regarding Cam's shoulder, we might not have clear direction come draft day. Cam has I think 3 seasons remaining on his current contract, maybe 4? It's designed so that if the team were to part ways, they could do it now (which I don't think we're at that point yet, at least I hope not). Do you go with a guy like Dwayne Haskins (who I see going back for one more year, but that kid is impressive and could go in the 1st round if he elects to leave now) by spending an early round pick, or do you hope to get a developmental guy with a mid round pick?

Or do you hold off and put it all on Newton/Heinicke knowing that if things don't work out the shoulder, your season is essentially forfeit as are the following seasons until you're able to bring stability back to the position? If things work out, then you still have your superstar QB and you didn't create potential drama with having a guy waiting on deck to take the keys.

I do not envy the front office at the moment.

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

if the ultimate answer is that he replaces Hurney with a guy like Omar Khan or Joe Douglas and lets them make the decision on Ron Rivera, I can live with that.

Not the way I would like to see it go down, but I could understand it.  If both are kept...well, I just will try not to think about it now.

[Chaos]

37 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

which again is how you would address any other injury. there's a push to to ascribe some sort of uniqueness to this situation that just isn't there. the only thing unique about is how disposable this organization has viewed cam since he was drafted. the reason "the carolina panthers are worried about the health of their quarterback" is such a striking headline is because to this point they haven't seemed to give a poo.

Yep, you said it yourself a bit earlier in the thread.  Ron "I would have taken the shot too" Rivera now has to concede to overwhelming evidence that his QB isn't right.  All that does for me is bring into the light all the times he should have been more cautious with his health and physical well-being, only to continually sweep it under the rug to keep his own ass comfortable.

[electro's horse]

cam has to commit to a full evaluation (contrast mri), procedure, and rehab. 

That's the beginning and end of it. 

If he's not willing to do that then the Panthers should move on. 

[thefuzz]

2 minutes ago, Icege said:

With what little information we do have, it's understandable to be concerned. We've heard that the shoulder is neither improving nor declining, we've watched it affect Cam's passing, and we've seen that defenders noticed it as well.

Cam is an insane talent, but if his body is starting to break down from the wear and tear of what has been demanded of him by the coaching staff over the years then there needs to be evaluation on a potential replacement. The team is in a difficult position because with the rumours floating around regarding Cam's shoulder, we might not have clear direction come draft day. Cam has I think 3 seasons remaining on his current contract, maybe 4? It's designed so that if the team were to part ways, they could do it now (which I don't think we're at that point yet, at least I hope not). Do you go with a guy like Dwayne Haskins (who I see going back for one more year, but that kid is impressive and could go in the 1st round if he elects to leave now) by spending an early round pick, or do you hope to get a developmental guy with a mid round pick?

Or do you hold off and put it all on Newton/Heinicke knowing that if things don't work out the shoulder, your season is essentially forfeit as are the following seasons until you're able to bring stability back to the position? If things work out, then you still have your superstar QB and you didn't create potential drama with having a guy waiting on deck to take the keys.

I do not envy the front office at the moment.

It's not a hard choice...IMO.

Honestly, we should have shut down Cam earlier, but at least we did with 2 to go.  We can at least try to evaluate Taylor now.  He gets all the practice reps, and all the game time.  That's a good thing at this point.

Unfortunately, we have Marty at the helm...but hopefully that will change in a couple weeks.  Either way, he needs to be scouting later round QB's HARD right now, and likely needs to plan on picking one in the draft (assuming TH doesn't look the part).  We also don't know how the free agent market may shake down...but we will likely need to bring in an upper shelf backup for Cam, and will likely be carrying 3 QB's next season depending on Cam's shoulder and it's response.

Chase Daniel may be one to look at in the offseason, and Teddy, if NO moves on.  

We have 2 full years to get Cam healthy, and evaluate him long term...really 3 if we break out the tag.

 

[thefuzz]

3 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

why wouldn't he be willing?

My guess is Cam and Ryan V. decided to try to rehab the shoulder last time to see if they could avoid surgery?  Seemed to be working well until he had to start throwing hard later on and the pain came back....then he/they decided to have the surgery, and tried to be back by training camp.

I remember rumblings back then that many thought he should have gone ahead with the surgery and give it more time heal before training camp.

Not sure if that was the trainers call, Cam's, the doctors, or all, but that's the only thing I can figure as to why fiz would post that?

[PhillyB]

why are people giving mr scot poo?

a good gm considers the possibility and plans accordingly. only a fatally stupid idiot actually calls it happening and suggests preemptive action.

some fatally stupid posters are doing that but mr scot isn't one of them

[TheRed]

13 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

why wouldn't he be willing?

 

7 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

My guess is Cam and Ryan V. decided to try to rehab the shoulder last time to see if they could avoid surgery?  Seemed to be working well until he had to start throwing hard later on and the pain came back....then he/they decided to have the surgery, and tried to be back by training camp.

I remember rumblings back then that many thought he should have gone ahead with the surgery and give it more time heal before training camp.

Not sure if that was the trainers call, Cam's, the doctors, or all, but that's the only thing I can figure as to why fiz would post that?

He has made it a point to question Cam's commitment to football on more than one occasion.

[WoahW]

8 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

why are people giving mr scot poo?

a good gm considers the possibility and plans accordingly. only a fatally stupid idiot actually calls it happening and suggests preemptive action.

some fatally stupid posters are doing that but mr scot isn't one of them

It’s the same people as always race baiting something that has zero to do with race. poo gets old yet no leadership around here fixes it 

[JARROD]

1 hour ago, Dex said:

I don't see the correlation between jewelry and health.

Ace is a full on troll. Don’t even acknowledge his posts any more

[TheRed]

Mr. Scot couldn't make it past the first page in a thread he willingly created without lobbing "nana nana boo boo" level insults.

Can't really complain too much about getting poo under the circumstances.