Breer believes the Panthers will make no changes

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Not sure how you got this from that post.

Classic Scot - diverting from the original discussion.

Nah. Just recognizing the motives.

Again, we get it. We all get it. He drafted your favorite player and therefore he must be good and must be defended. It's a stupid mindset, but hey, you be you.

Now if it were me, I'd like to think it would count for something that he built a piss-poor team around your favorite player. Likewise that the head coach you're defending has exposed him to greater injury risk than was ever necessary.

But again, you be you.

[panthers55]

42 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

Nobody really know what Tepper is as an NFL owner, save maybe a few people who he worked next to in Pittsburgh.  Even with that, being a minority owner with little to no say is a lot different than being THE owner.  The NFL is a different breed of business and trying to gauge how good or bad a new owner will be based on his success in unrelated businesses is questionable, at best.  That is true of a lot of businesses, actually.

The fact that he has not said a lot thus far is a plus in my eyes.  The opposite is Jerry Jones, who despite successes here and there is not Clint Murchison, Jr. (for those of us not older than dust, like me, the former owner of the Cowboys).  Or the Yorks (San Fran) who may be the worst owners in the NFL and in contention for the worst in professional sports.  Contrast that with Robert Kraft, who doesn't say a lot but when he does, he means it (right or wrong).

I'll form a stronger opinion of him based on what he says and does when he says and does it.  As far as inaction, it is way too soon to judge him on that. 

Sure you can judge him so far. He is someone who isn't rash or too emotional when he makes a decision. He tries to listen to others whose opinions he trusts and use analytics in making decisions. Being inactive is not failing to make a decision it is keeping on the same course if you think you are headed in the right direction. Not changing things means you are making a decision to keep things the same.

[Car123]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Nah. Just recognizing the motives.

Again, we get it. We all get it. He drafted your favorite player and therefore he must be good and must be defended. It's a stupid mindset, but you be you.

Now if it were me, I'd like to think it would count for something that he built a piss-poor team around your favorite player. But again, you be you.

Cam, Kuechly hit their prime during Gettleman's tenure at Carolina.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Car123 said:

Cam, Kuechly hit their prime during Gettleman's tenure at Carolina.

Again, we know. Excuses must be made. It's never Hurney's fault. Anything wrong with the team now must be laid at Gettleman's feet to protect Hurney.

At this point, I could probably write your posts for you.

[panthers55]

18 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The logic that being a billionaire makes you a good football owner may be one of the silliest things ever posted here.

Mike Brown, Dan Snyder, Jerry Jones, Michael Bidwill, Alex Spanos and several others make that notion an absolute mockery.

 

The logic that being a billionaire means you know how to make money and can hire and pay for anything you want is a very accurate statement. The idea that he suddenly doesn't know anything because he doesn't do what you think he should do is the ignorant idea. He is the same guy you loved 6 months ago. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

The logic that being a billionaire means you know how to make money and can hire and pay for anything you want is a very accurate statement. The idea that he suddenly doesn't know anything because he doesn't do what you think he should do is the ignorant idea. He is the same guy you loved 6 months ago. 

He's the guy I hoped would be better than Jerry Richardson. If he makes the same mistakes, he won't be.

And just to be clear, making money and running a football team are not the same thing. I'd think you'd be able to make that differentiation given the names we mentioned before, but hey...

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, thefuzz said:

True.  We probably are on the worst skid in NFL history for a 6-2 squad because of critics.

I have heard of negative fans causing losses, and lot's of them, but had never experienced it before now.

What a nonsequitor. No one said the losing was anyone's fault specifically and everyone's at the same time.  Tepper understands this but you apparently don't. 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Hammerin'Cam1 said:

He has a good point though. You liked what happened it 2015 right?

It was all of Hurney's guys that made it possible ...

Norman would likely still be here, too, had Gettleman not rescinded the tag.

I was a huge Gettleman fan while he was here but in hindsight he was an idiot.

Gettleman bought into the idiotic notion that if we just get Cam tall receivers (not receivers who, you know, can separate from defenders) then everything would be fine and dandy. We now know that Benjamin was a bust, and Funchess was a bust.

He did draft McCaffrey and Samuel. McCaffrey has shown he can be the focal point of a 6-10 team (McCaffrey being the focal point is probably a key reason we are 6-10) but nothing else.

Samuel played in 9 games last year, and 12 so far this season. Samuel should be a stud but the kid is 22 who was a hybrid player in college who's still learning how to play WR.

That is why it's idiotic to critique Cam when Cam hasn't had an 1,000 yard receiver since fuging 2014

Yes, again. Hurney signed everybody that was good and Gettleman only drafted and signed bad people. Yet somehow we miraculously lost only one game on the way to a Super Bowl.

Get some new material, dude. It's boring.

On second thought, nevermind. You'll be banned again soon enough anyway.

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

He's the guy I hoped would be better than Jerry Richardson. If he makes the same mistakes, he won't be.

And just to be clear, making money and running a football team are not the same thing. I'd think you'd be able to make that differentiation given the names we mentioned before, but hey...

Just because you don't agree he is better doesn't mean he isnt. It is your opinion which is not necessarily held by most fans. And you are right making money and running a team aren't the same thing but he shows aptitude

to succeed at a level neither you or I will approach. Gives him more credibility I would think. Certainly enough to trust him at this point.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

Just because you don't agree he is better doesn't mean he isnt. It is your opinion which is not necessarily held by most fans. And you are right making money and running a team aren't the same thing but he shows aptitude

to succeed at a level neither you or I will approach. Gives him more credibility I would think. Certainly enough to trust him at this point.

Like you'd trust Dan Snyder, Jerry Jones and Mike Brown?

I mean hey, they made money, so that shows aptitude.

I'm not convinced, but maybe if you write a wall of text I'll think about it.

 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Hammerin'Cam1 said:

I mean, we had KK Short playing at a first team All-Pro level that year .. it wasn't all Hurney .. but it was 90% Hurney

If you think the roster or even the starters were 90% Hurney, I'm guessing you failed fifth grade math.

I'm sure you'll try and say the important ones were Hurney, but that's what we call subjectivity. I'd explain that for you but I'm not that interested in talking to you right now.

[thefuzz]

16 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

What a nonsequitor. No one said the losing was anyone's fault specifically and everyone's at the same time.  Tepper understands this but you apparently don't. 

Does Tepper understand it if he chooses not to make changes?

It's pretty damn easy to turn a profit holding the Panthers, JR knew this, and continued to give us trash on the field...if Tepper does this as well?  He too is a loser.  We shall see.

We KNOW that Hurney is a loser...that's pretty easy to see.  W's vs. L's in his career.  This isn't grey, this is black and white.

 

[Sgt Schultz]

28 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Sure you can judge him so far. He is someone who isn't rash or too emotional when he makes a decision. He tries to listen to others whose opinions he trusts and use analytics in making decisions. Being inactive is not failing to make a decision it is keeping on the same course if you think you are headed in the right direction. Not changing things means you are making a decision to keep things the same.

That is one possibility.  But for years, the Bears ownership stuck with coaches who were train wrecks.  Were they patient and making a decision to not move on because they saw better things ahead or had hard indicators things were going to turn around?  Nope.  The McCaskeys were/are cheap, the coach had another year or two on his contract, and there was no way they were going to pay two coaches to suck when they could only pay one.

While I am not saying Tepper is a McCaskey, I can see scenarios where he has concerns about the team next year (for example, if the news on Cam's shoulder soreness is more ominous than any of us knows), and they can be just as much in trouble with Rivera or paying Rivera and someone else.  Why saddle someone new with an immediate bad situation?

Or, by this time next week Rivera, Hurney, and everybody else may be out of jobs. 

The only conclusion I can make on Tepper right now is whatever he is doing, he isn't airing it publicly.  I consider that a good thing.  That is much preferable to me than Jones or Snyder.

I think Rivera will be around next year, I am not nearly as sure as Hurney.  But, with what we know about Tepper thus far, that and $5 will buy me a cup of coffee and muffin tomorrow morning.  We'll know more as time goes on.

[thefuzz]

2 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

That is one possibility.  But for years, the Bears ownership stuck with coaches who were train wrecks.  Were they patient and making a decision to not move on because they saw better things ahead or had hard indicators things were going to turn around?  Nope.  The McCaskeys were/are cheap, the coach had another year or two on his contract, and there was no way they were going to pay two coaches to suck when they could only pay one.

While I am not saying Tepper is a McCaskey, I can see scenarios where he has concerns about the team next year (for example, if the news on Cam's shoulder soreness is more ominous than any of us knows), and they can be just as much in trouble with Rivera or paying Rivera and someone else.  Why saddle someone new with an immediate bad situation?

Or, by this time next week Rivera, Hurney, and everybody else may be out of jobs. 

The only conclusion I can make on Tepper right now is whatever he is doing, he isn't airing it publicly.  I consider that a good thing.  That is much preferable to me than Jones or Snyder.

I think Rivera will be around next year, I am not nearly as sure as Hurney.  But, with what we know about Tepper thus far, that and $5 will buy me a cup of coffee and muffin tomorrow morning.  We'll know more as time goes on.

This is where I am.  We have no clue what to expect from Tepper, as should be the case.  However, he did state that he "wanted to win" when he held his first press conference.

Ron Rivera: .549 as a head coach.

Marty Hurney:  .481 with 3 winning seasons out of 12.

Tells me Ron is Average, an Marty is below average.