So...this 2019 DL class is scary good

[ncfan]

2 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2019/insider/story/_/id/25560327/2019-nfl-draft-todd-mcshay-top-32-prospects-grades-position-rankings

5. Rashan Gary, DE, Michigan*

Grade: 94 | Height: 6-5 | Weight: 283 | Previous: 4

Three years after he arrived in Ann Arbor as the most celebrated recruit in the country, Gary somehow matched the hype. A powerful run defender and edge-setter, he has an outstanding combination of size and athleticism and will fit any scheme: explosive, sudden and a nightmare to block. His closing burst, high motor and natural instincts helped him to 3.5 sacks and 7.5 tackles for loss in nine games. He missed three consecutive games earlier this season with a shoulder injury, but he was productive in his return.

 

7. Ed Oliver, DT, Houston*

Grade: 93 | Height: 6-3 | Weight: 292 | Previous: 5

Oliver missed four consecutive Cougars games with a knee injury and had an explosive exchange with coach Major Applewhite on the sideline in mid-November before returning at the end of the regular season. But on the field, you don't want to have to block this dude. He explodes out of his stance, has elite initial quickness and is totally disruptive and usually unblockable one-on-one. Oliver has great range and always plays hard. He had 58 tackles, including 14.5 for a loss and three sacks, in eight games.

 

9. Clelin Ferrell, DE, Clemson*

Grade: 92 | Height: 6-5 | Weight: 265 | Previous: 11

Ferrell has very good, if not elite, physical tools. He grades out as an every-down NFL starter, though he could be used as a 3-4 outside linebacker or a 4-3 defensive end. His hands aren't overly violent at the line, but they are quick and active. Through 13 games, his quick first step helped him to 17.5 TFL and 10.5 sacks (eighth in the nation).

Everyone else in the recruiting world is putting Gary ahead of Ferrell. Gary was the best player in his draft class coming out of highschool and remains near the top. What that tells me is he is as advertised...people have been saying it since high school dude is legit and at this point scouts are coming to the same conclusion..why try to deny it and say so and so is better?

Dude is legit.

 

Again taking that with a grain of salt.  ESPN guys bounce around all the time, see Kiper say he'd retire if Clausen wasnt a star (he still hasn't)

80% of the people out there have Ferrell ahead.

Again both Good players.  Ferrell just has the edge.

[micnificent28]

3 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Dude is legit.

 

Again taking that with a grain of salt.  ESPN guys bounce around all the time, see Kiper say he'd retire if Clausen wasnt a star (he still hasn't)

80% of the people out there have Ferrell ahead.

Again both Good players.  Ferrell just has the edge.

I haven't seen any that have Ferrell ahead of Gary. Of course its splitting hairs and person opinion,but Gary is Bigger,faster,stronger and just a better athlete than Ferrell. Ferrell doesn't have elite physical tools and seems more a effort guy to me. Now when i say that im comparing him to Gary. is he a bad elite,no hes probably above average. but if im in the top 10 i want a freak.

[Carl Spackler]

Gary would be nice. I rate guys who don’t have All-Americans and fellow stars beside them a bit higher than others. 

[Growl]

38 minutes ago, ncfan said:

1. Ferrell doesnt fit either

2. Gary is a freak thats been plugged in at 3-4 DE and still taking on Double and TRIPLE teams.  And was a 4-3 DE in high school.

3. Sweat played at around 245 and expected to be up around 250 come combine time (just 5-6 pounds lighter than Barrnett the other year)

 

They should be taking a bpa of needed positions where we will be drafting

Ferrell and Gary will fit that.

The panthers are in position to get the best player at his position on the board, and have needs everywhere. They need to dial in obtaining those #1 prospects rather than searching to and fro through the draft board and comparing weaknesses.

 

[micnificent28]

15 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

Gary would be nice. I rate guys who don’t have All-Americans and fellow stars beside them a bit higher than others. 

Being a stud since highschool shows consistency you have more to go off of in my opinion. Gary being the best of the best on espn and rivals coming out. Still being top 5 mixed in with other kids in this class says alot to me

[Seoul_Panther]

I get that people have draft crushes. I’m interested to read the knocks against these guys as well as the drooling over their athletic ability.

  I read that Ferrell wins with effort but his technique is questionable. He maximizes his ability and you always get effort from him. But he’s not a physical freak. He is also said not to get much bend. Furthermore he plays on a dominant D. That concerns me. I would be interested to hear people who have actually watched him play give responses to those criticisms?

  People keep telling me that Gary is dominant, but his stats don’t reflect it. Can someone point me towards a game where he had real impact. Or is it pure projection? Is he a DE or interior? How does he fit in the Panthers DL?

[ncfan]

3 minutes ago, Seoul_Panther said:

 

  People keep telling me that Gary is dominant, but his stats don’t reflect it. Can someone point me towards a game where he had real impact. Or is it pure projection? Is he a DE or interior? How does he fit in the Panthers DL?

Gary is a physical freak

A DE played 4-3 end in HS but also could be moved inside pn rush packages, like we've done with pep etc 

He's been put at 3-4 DE in college.  Much like Clowney was put at 3-4 DE in Houston when he was a edge rusher.

He Still is comanding double AND TRIPLE teams

 

[Seoul_Panther]

That link didn’t work in my browser unfortunately-what game was it?But it is good to know he gets lots of attention, it certainly goes some way to explaining his disappointing stats. I mean I would feel better about him if he wasn’t switching from a 3-4 and had played and succeeded at DE in college. I totally get that theres a huge amount of guesswork about how players translate at different levels but I think there are reasons to be wary of his fit with the Panthers.

[micnificent28]

Just now, Seoul_Panther said:

That link didn’t work in my browser unfortunately-what game was it?But it is good to know he gets lots of attention, it certainly goes some way to explaining his disappointing stats. I mean I would feel better about him if he wasn’t switching from a 3-4 and had played and succeeded at DE in college. I totally get that theres a huge amount of guesswork about how players translate at different levels but I think there are reasons to be wary of his fit with the Panthers.

shows him battling a triple team an still nearly making the play. it was awesome.

[ncfan]

1 minute ago, Seoul_Panther said:

That link didn’t work in my browser unfortunately-what game was it?But it is good to know he gets lots of attention, it certainly goes some way to explaining his disappointing stats. I mean I would feel better about him if he wasn’t switching from a 3-4 and had played and succeeded at DE in college. I totally get that theres a huge amount of guesswork about how players translate at different levels but I think there are reasons to be wary of his fit with the Panthers.

Dude getting triple teamed by the C, OG, and OT

[Snake]

1 hour ago, ncfan said:

Quinenon Williams

Bosa

Oliver

Ferrell 

Would all be top 5 picks in any other draft

 

 

Raekwon

Derrick Brown 

Simmon

Wilkins

Tillery

Dre'mont Jones

Lawerence 

Would all be 1st round locks in any other draft.  And thats just interior DL.

No way all of them are drafted top 6. Sorry.

[ncfan]

Just now, Snake said:

No way all of them are drafted top 6. Sorry.

They wont be

Because not every team has big needs at DL.

 

Many of them are top 15 calibre and top5 calibre.

 

But only so many teams will draft DL.  Thus pushing some down, down into the 2nd like ive been saying

[juliosantos]

That bama dt is amazing 

[juliosantos]

55 minutes ago, Humbled-Carolina-Chuck said:

Quinnen is a straight up stud. Absolute monster. Im not even sure if Bosa will be the #1 pick. Quinnen is the best DT prospect to come out since Suh. 

Donald ?