Blaming Rivera

[Darvinsun]

6 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

I’d say Moore literally costed us two football games with his fumbles. So not a fair comparison you are using here.

Even with those fumbles we were still in the game and he is the reason we were in the position. He is rookie and a good one maybe if Ron would have given him more work in preseason and earlier in the season he would have been more polished. We drafted him with our 1st rd draft  pick and acted like we had therabreeds out in front him when had nothing. I think they knew Cam wouldn't make it thru the season and wasn't expecting the 6-2 start. Pitch count yea right no deep throws in practice or preseason. Torrey Smith never ran a deep route. Yea they knew.

[Darvinsun]

4 hours ago, Sub Zero said:

That's stupid.. You can remember a bad coaching decision in every game from every coach .. No coach is perfect.. But there were legitimate and multiple player screws ups in most of our losses this year.. Context example

Seattle Game Devin dropped everything plus Cam had 2 TO but you blame Rivera 1 mistake??

Who allowed Funchess to continue to be on the field. Funchess could have been already hurt next following week was on injury report. I blame Funchess but who knows all these mystery injuries popping up. Funchess should have been benched.

[Darvinsun]

3 hours ago, Sub Zero said:

No I can tell the difference in bad coaching and bad luck.. This year was more of the latter.. Losing by less than 7 points in 8 losses is the ball not bouncing your way more than bad coaching.. So keep your stupid opinion and I'll keep mine.  I'll just add actual facts and context with my opinion..okay sweetheart..

Bad luck? You control your own destiny. It' s a free will of choice. Yes things happen but most of the time there are signs that we ignore bc we want our will or desire to take charge and the outcome you get is bad luck in your eyes but really it' just poor decision making not listening to your gut.

[Darvinsun]

3 hours ago, Sub Zero said:

Who the fug was he going to go to??

Wait did they invent a QB tree on mint st??

I don't remeber any of you screaming "hey let's put in any of the inexperienced, never played a down of real football, frail backups we have on the roster " while we were still contending for a playoff spot.. Show me that thread 6 weeks ago..

 

Plain and simple geniuses..

We got sucked into a bad luck year..

Usually you don't win when you lose your starting QB or he isn't healthy.. 

We didn't have a quality backup which  most teams don't..

Way to many injuries at the same position..Like OT and Secondary.   

It happens we had bad luck.. Again not saying Ron is great but add context to your opinion..

 

We didn' have access to the information that has been revealed now. This coaching staff knew Cams condition and Ron knows Cam. If we were still in contention he should have given the back up more playing reps or got a legitimate back up. Saved Cam for 2nd half of the games once his shoulder got better play him more, but Ron thought he was fooling teams when he was only fooling himself .

[TheCasillas]

34 minutes ago, Darvinsun said:

Even with those fumbles we were still in the game and he is the reason we were in the position. He is rookie and a good one maybe if Ron would have given him more work in preseason and earlier in the season he would have been more polished. We drafted him with our 1st rd draft  pick and acted like we had therabreeds out in front him when had nothing. I think they knew Cam wouldn't make it thru the season and wasn't expecting the 6-2 start. Pitch count yea right no deep throws in practice or preseason. Torrey Smith never ran a deep route. Yea they knew.

Dude.... what the fug? None of this makes sense at all. It’s purely assumptions and wildly innacurate. 

[Darvinsun]

6 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Dude.... what the fug? None of this makes sense at all. It’s purely assumptions and wildly innacurate. 

How many points did we loose by with his fumbles? How many deep throws or routes did you see Torrey Smith run. That Newton reporter reported that Cam hadn' t thrown a deep pass. Cam got offensive when asked about the deep pass. What speculation are u talking about? The new Norm for Cam.

[Darvinsun]

1 hour ago, Woodie said:

I'll add on to this that no draft pick is a sure thing, no matter where they are picked.  Just look at Fornette and the Jags.  Pick #4 in a RB class with CMC, Kamara, Hunt (pre-DV), and others.  Yet, they found the big bust of the bunch...even when most had him as their #1 back...including many, many huddlers.

There's no guarantee that a guy taken at #9 is going to be any better, or even as good, as a guy taken at #16.  I get wanting the higher pick, but there's no point in getting so mad just because we dropped a few spots. 

Personally, I'll take a team that always fights to win over a team that gives up and accepts losing in hopes of a better draft pick every day, and twice on Sunday's.

You still have to give him a chance to make a an impact or not draft him in that spot. 1st rd drafts are suppose to be impact players unless you have enough talent already to let them sit.  We needed it cause Funchess did a whole lot right. Torrey he improved in one game and then hurt. We were not set in this position. 1st rd drafts are not always guarantees but they are suppose to be the closest thing to it. Sometimes a player doesn' t work but if you draft him there thats what u are thinking.

[TheCasillas]

1 hour ago, Darvinsun said:

How many points did we loose by with his fumbles? How many deep throws or routes did you see Torrey Smith run. That Newton reporter reported that Cam hadn' t thrown a deep pass. Cam got offensive when asked about the deep pass. What speculation are u talking about? The new Norm for Cam.

Again dude, you make zero sense. Work on your communication skills or reestablish your purpose with these asinine statements. 

[GoPanthers123]

11 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

I’d say Moore literally costed us two football games with his fumbles. So not a fair comparison you are using here.

Right he made rookie mistakes.  In big picture I saw us play brilliant one quarter and play like crap the next, and manage to give the game away for several weeks in a row while outplaying the opponent.   It is not hopeless but so disappointing.

[Sub Zero]

5 hours ago, Darvinsun said:

We didn' have access to the information that has been revealed now. This coaching staff knew Cams condition and Ron knows Cam. If we were still in contention he should have given the back up more playing reps or got a legitimate back up. Saved Cam for 2nd half of the games once his shoulder got better play him more, but Ron thought he was fooling teams when he was only fooling himself .

You don't need access to know a 75% to 80% cam gives you a better chance to win than any of the backups.. And again QBs don't grow on trees..

[tiger7_88]

21 hours ago, Chaos said:

It's his fuging fault he was playing hurt to begin with.   Before you call someone stupid, think about the poo you're spewing in here.  I've never said that player mistakes haven't cost us throughout the season, but if you seriously can't see the coaching deficiencies that have held this talented team back over Rivera's tenure, then I guess you don't want to.  An owner won't cut a franchise qb because he didn't perform well while injured, but he might wonder why the coach kept trotting him out there to continue taking beatings to the detriment of the team. 

Has anyone copyrighted the term "Teflon Ron" yet?  Because, if not, its mine.

Dude is the head coach of one of only 32 franchises of the most profitable league in the United States of America and is somehow never responsible for ANYTHING that occurs under his watch. The fault always somehow lies outside of his control *every* *damn* *time*. 

Its absolutely amazing.  A sports miracle, as it were.