Gronkowski is a moron

[PanthersBigD]

13 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

@PanthersBigD @PhillyB I prefer not to have a back and forth with either of you, but if it needs to occur .. let's do it elsewhere. I can tell you right now we have two different perspectives, and beliefs on the way today's society operates.

I'd be more than happy to have an adult, non-energized , no emotions conversation with both over a beer.

I will not discriminate or call you names because I don't agree with you. Not in person and not on here.

I think Philly and I both very clearly and calmly stated our views on this. You're the one clutching his virtual pearls at the mention of rape culture in a discussion about a professional football player making elaborate 69 jokes at a press conference. I feel like Philly laid out a clear explanation that rape culture is not necessarily rape. Laughing off or excusing bad behavior because someone is 'just being stupid' is unacceptable, and it serves to normalize unacceptable behavior. No one's pulling out pitchforks. We'd just like to see it acknowledged for what it is and not swept aside as no big deal.  

[Gentle Giant]

What, angels with dirty faces, who is it insulting, the 6 or the 9? Seems like a good joke to me that all can appreciate.

[Floppin]

17 hours ago, GeorgeHanson said:

The Daily Mail is a tabloid of the highest order and has an extremely long track record of paying libel awards to subjects of false stories they have printed.

In fact, Wikipedia has deemed the Daily Mail to be an "unreliable source" and except under extraordinary circumstances has banned the Daily Mail as a source: 

" The editors said the vote in favor of the ban stemmed from the website’s “reputation for poor fact checking, sensationalism and flat-out fabrication."

https://www.foxnews.com/tech/wikipedia-bans-editors-from-citing-daily-mail-as-source

 

My point was that it's not a traditional tabloid in the sense of weekly world news or something. It's just a generally terrible conservative paper. Similar to anything Breitbart or Drudge would put out only with a much longer history of existence.

[TheCasillas]

2 hours ago, PanthersBigD said:

I think Philly and I both very clearly and calmly stated our views on this. You're the one clutching his virtual pearls at the mention of rape culture in a discussion about a professional football player making elaborate 69 jokes at a press conference. I feel like Philly laid out a clear explanation that rape culture is not necessarily rape. Laughing off or excusing bad behavior because someone is 'just being stupid' is unacceptable, and it serves to normalize unacceptable behavior. No one's pulling out pitchforks. We'd just like to see it acknowledged for what it is and not swept aside as no big deal.  

I disagree. Again, Gronk was baited into that joke. 69 would have never been brought up if peter from barstool didn’t ask the question. 

Its obvious that Gronk’s intentions were not malicious. Just bc people perceive it sensitively doesn’t make gronk the bad guy in this situation. 

This has nothing to do with rape culture in my eyes. We don’t have to agree, but I just can’t align with what you are proposing.

[PantherNation123]

3 hours ago, PhillyB said:

this is actually what people are referring to when they use the term rape culture.

panthersnation123 is not a rapist, don't get me wrong, and i'm sure abhors rape. but as men we have been conditioned to excuse unsavory behavior by literally arguing faultlessness on the grounds of stupidity, lack of intent, or childishness.  he can't help it, we say, and thereby encourage a lack of accountability for our fellow men.

gronk shouldn't have made the joke, even in that context, not because of easily-offended PC people, but because decent people have absolutely zero instinct to make that joke, even in that context. 

gilette was right, dudes need to hold each other accountable to be more decent dudes. the commentary in this thread is exhibit A as to why.

I get what you're saying, but by no means am I excusing the behavior.  Saying "it is what is is" was a mistake.  Yes, he should be held accountable, fined, etc.  My point was that the dude is legitimately retarded, and can't comprehend how those words would be considered offensive to many, especially the woman it was directed towards.  Yes, that is a problem and should be addressed, but I don't think it was malicious intent on his part - he legit is just too stupid to comprehend what effect his words have

[Steve_Smith_Sr.]

I'm looking forward to a Gronk-free NFL next year.

[PhillyB]

1 hour ago, Truck Stick said:

Some peoples idea of flirting is swiping right

I'm not living in that social bubble

he posted loudly on the internet

[Inimicus]

4 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

I disagree. Again, Gronk was baited into that joke. 69 would have never been brought up if peter from barstool didn’t ask the question. 

Its obvious that Gronk’s intentions were not malicious. Just bc people perceive it sensitively doesn’t make gronk the bad guy in this situation. 

This has nothing to do with rape culture in my eyes. We don’t have to agree, but I just can’t align with what you are proposing.

Your 4 year old isn't being malicious when he offers your house guest a freshly harvested nose goblin but its inappropriate none the less and behavior you correct.

[CPcavedweller]

On 1/30/2019 at 5:19 PM, Mr. Scot said:

I am about the least PC person you would ever meet, but let's be real. We're talking about a guy who's not exactly a genius level intellect.

At a time when the NFL is trying to better their image among women, this is a pretty stupid thing to say at a nationally covered press conference.

 

If she baited the question knowing the joke, it was a voluntary crude response. Thus, she likely was fine with him making the joke back to her. As such, I see nothing even close to harassment in this scenario. Is it amateur? Sure. But Gronk isn't married, doesn't have kids, is rich, young, and nearing retirement while being set for life. 

Hes going to do and say what he wants.

[CPcavedweller]

5 hours ago, PantherNation123 said:

I get what you're saying, but by no means am I excusing the behavior.  Saying "it is what is is" was a mistake.  Yes, he should be held accountable, fined, etc.  My point was that the dude is legitimately retarded, and can't comprehend how those words would be considered offensive to many, especially the woman it was directed towards.  Yes, that is a problem and should be addressed, but I don't think it was malicious intent on his part - he legit is just too stupid to comprehend what effect his words have

Have you thought that he may not care what people think about it? My guess is it was a baited question, as said here, and he went with it. She clearly knew what the answer would be because it's Gronk. I'd imagine they share some relationship off the field that isn't public and that's his way of joking about it.

As for the effects, what effects? He made a 69 joke. fuging PG movie Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure has a 69 joke in it. This PC crap has gone too far. Words DONT fuging HURT PEOPLE.

[PantherNation123]

2 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

Have you thought that he may not care what people think about it? My guess is it was a baited question, as said here, and he went with it. She clearly knew what the answer would be because it's Gronk. I'd imagine they share some relationship off the field that isn't public and that's his way of joking about it.

As for the effects, what effects? He made a 69 joke. fuging PG movie Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure has a 69 joke in it. This PC crap has gone too far. Words DONT fuging HURT PEOPLE.

Yeah buddy, I would guess he doesn't care what people think about it.... that's really beside the point.  I personally don't care if he makes a 69 joke, but directing it at a female reporter is wrong.  Saying "words don't hurt people" is also just obtuse... yeah in this case the female isn't hurt, but you shouldn't be OK with a female reporter getting sexualized by a football player publicly and unwillingly. 

Side note, if you want stats to prove that words CAN hurt people, just look up bullying and kid suicide rates.  Might wake you from your slumber

[Montsta]

I bet he lets his sons wrestle at backyard barbecues too. Rotten son of a bitch. 

[Montsta]

18 hours ago, PhillyB said:

this is actually what people are referring to when they use the term rape culture.

panthersnation123 is not a rapist, don't get me wrong, and i'm sure abhors rape. but as men we have been conditioned to excuse unsavory behavior by literally arguing faultlessness on the grounds of stupidity, lack of intent, or childishness.  he can't help it, we say, and thereby encourage a lack of accountability for our fellow men.

gronk shouldn't have made the joke, even in that context, not because of easily-offended PC people, but because decent people have absolutely zero instinct to make that joke, even in that context. 

gilette was right, dudes need to hold each other accountable to be more decent dudes. the commentary in this thread is exhibit A as to why.

Without getting too political on the main forum, and with all due respect to you Philly as I genuinely respect you (despite our vast differences in opinion on damn near everything), wasn’t a certain leading female candidate for the office of the presidency completely absolved of criminal wrongdoing based solely on the defense of “she didn’t know what she was doing was wrong”?

For true equality in society we need both sexes held equally accountable when they screw up and do something stupid. 

Look forward to your honest take on this and then it’s back to football discussion I’ll go. 

[Mr. Scot]

If you think words mean nothing, talk to some of the important females in your life and tell them most women who get raped were probably asking for it.

Lemme know how that works out.