Some coaches take responsibility, others just riverboat

[LinvilleGorge]

McVay after losing the SB:

"I'm almost numb … They did great job but it was mostly result of me doing a poor job calling plays and not giving us a chance to win."

Rivera after losing any game:

"Missed opportunities... players have to make plays..."

[MasterAwesome]

I’m sure Rams’ fans are taking a lot of solace in hearing that their coach is taking the blame after shi$&ing the bed in the Super Bowl. “Dang we just lost the Super Bowl but at least our coach is so darn honorable!”. All that matters is the product you put out on the field...and McVay failed just like Rivera.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, MasterAwesome said:

I’m sure Rams’ fans are taking a lot of solace in hearing that their coach is taking the blame after shi$&ing the bed in the Super Bowl. “Dang we just lost the Super Bowl but at least our coach is so darn honorable!”. All that matters is the product you put out on the field...and McVay failed just like Rivera.

It's not just about outwardly taking responsibility, it's about doing the same inwardly as well. Taking responsibility means reflecting on what led to the disappointment instead of deflecting blame to your team. It's not a coincidence that we've never come close to replicating that 2015 season.

[Eazy-E]

I mean McVay did poo the bed. Dude looked shell shocked on the sidelines.

[Jesse]

Why do some of us take what Ron says so personally? It’s just coaches talk.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Eazy-E said:

I mean McVay did poo the bed. Dude looked shell shocked on the sidelines.

Yes, he did but at least he owned up to it. Rivera has numerous times and i dont think he ever has. He and his staff always have the perfect game plan and performed flawlessly in-game. Those damn players just missed opportunities and failed to make plays making them look bad.

[top dawg]

Every play, series, quarter, half, game and season are different and must be evaluated on their own merit. Sometimes lack of execution by the players sticks out like a sore thumb, and sometimes a lack of inspiration, preparation and vision by the coaching is almost palpable, leaving a bad taste in the mouths of observers. It's always some combination of the two. I've heard all coaches opine about one and/or the other at different times, and McVay and Rivera are no different.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Jesse said:

Why do some of us take what Ron says so personally? It’s just coaches talk.

It's not though. That's why we hang onto failed coach experiment for too long. Shula was retained for at least one full season too long. It was blatantly obvious early on that Washington wasn't going to cut it as a DC but we didn't make a change until well after the season was wasted.

[MasterAwesome]

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's not just about outwardly taking responsibility, it's about doing the same inwardly as well. Taking responsibility means reflecting on what led to the disappointment instead of deflecting blame to your team. It's not a coincidence that we've never come close to replicating that 2015 season.

Media pressers are nonsense...we know nothing about what is happening inwardly. Do you dissect everything Cam says after a loss too when he has to face the cameras and answer dumb questions when he’s upset and emotional? Why do you think our coach doesn’t also get upset after a big loss and perhaps doesn’t really put a whole lot of thought into all these presser questions? “Missed opportunities” is about as laughably generic and “coachspeak” of a response as it gets...the fact that it gets so many people triggered in here when he predictably says that, is laughable in itself.

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Media pressers are nonsense...we know nothing about what is happening inwardly. Do you dissect everything Cam says after a loss too when he has to face the cameras and answer dumb questions when he’s upset and emotional? Why do you think our coach doesn’t also get upset after a big loss and perhaps doesn’t really put a whole lot of thought into all these presser questions? “Missed opportunities” is about as laughably generic and “coachspeak” of a response as it gets...the fact that it gets so many people triggered in here when he predictably says that, is laughable in itself.

Actions speak louder than words. See my above posts.

[Hoenheim]

McVay didn't drop those 2 touchdowns in a close game , Brandon Cooks did. That's all I'm gonna say. 

 

[MasterAwesome]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Actions speak louder than words. See my above posts.

Except the entire premise of this post is based upon words....you’re moving the goalposts now. Are you just turning this into another generic Rivera bashing thread that we already have a million of now? If your argument is that Rivera doesn’t take responsibility and proves it with his actions (a near impossible thing to prove btw), then how are you gonna praise McVay for taking responsibility (not verbally, but through his actions) when he hasn’t had an opportunity to show that? You’re quite literally comparing Rivera’s actions to McVay’s words, and then saying “actions speak louder than words”. If the Rams start off slow and lackluster next season, are you gonna feel silly making this thread then?

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Except the entire premise of this post is based upon words....you’re moving the goalposts now. Are you just turning this into another generic Rivera bashing thread that we already have a million of now? If your argument is that Rivera doesn’t take responsibility and proves it with his actions (a near impossible thing to prove btw), then how are you gonna praise McVay for taking responsibility (not verbally, but through his actions) when he hasn’t had an opportunity to show that? You’re quite literally comparing Rivera’s actions to McVay’s words, and then saying “actions speak louder than words”. If the Rams start off slow and lackluster next season, are you gonna feel silly making this thread then?

When words are symptomatic of the bigger issue, they're relevant. 

[MasterAwesome]

20 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's not though. That's why we hang onto failed coach experiment for too long. Shula was retained for at least one full season too long. It was blatantly obvious early on that Washington wasn't going to cut it as a DC but we didn't make a change until well after the season was wasted.

So do you believe that when an organization hires a new head coach, that he should get fired early in his first season if he’s not successful? Say we fire Rivera and hire a new coach and he starts off 1-4 or something...then are you gonna say “that’s it, pull the plug”...then our new interim head coach goes 1-4 the next 5 games and then we fire him...and wind up going through 3 coaches in a single season. Why is it hard to accept that there’s a learning curve for new d-coordinators too, just like with head coaches? We started 6-2, there wasn’t a lot of logic behind firing or demoting a first-year defensive coordinator unless you’re one of those impulsive couch coaches. There was no reason to think he couldn’t improve upon his playcalling and coaching after half a season under his belt.

I do think Rivera waited too long in at least taking over playcalling duties, but it wasn’t something ridiculously egregious and a no-brainer like everyone is making it out to be. Fans are impulsive as hell and want immediate gratification...not good qualities for a head coach or a GM.