Drafttek Mock Draft (April 17th)

[micnificent28]

16 hours ago, poorboysrev said:

I mean just go watch the film of Ferrell against Jonah Williams(who is going to be a very good starting nfl tackle) in the championship game ...how you can watch that and be like meh that dude’s ok I guess. I really don’t get it

I just listen to Mel (first draft podcast)go over that game and he said that's a popular misconception. He said Williams got off balance once and then Ferrell pushed him to the ground. any other time he went unblocked and ran free. He actually said he thought williams did a pretty good job on him other than that. i will post the link.http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=26375029 March 27th episode around 27.38 he speaks on Ferrell vs Williams

[Sub Zero]

1 hour ago, micnificent28 said:

I just listen to Mel (first draft podcast)go over that game and he said that's a popular misconception. He said Williams got off balance once and then Ferrell pushed him to the ground. any other time he went unblocked and ran free. He actually said he thought williams did a pretty good job on him other than that. i will post the link.http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=26375029 March 27th episode around 27.38 he speaks on Ferrell vs Williams

Mel also said Clausen was the most pro ready QB in the 2010 draft and should be a top 10 pick..

So grain of salt on is video eye..

 

They show the play vs. Williams and at no point did Williams slip.. He got man handled and then put on skates..

[micnificent28]

29 minutes ago, Sub Zero said:

Mel also said Clausen was the most pro ready QB in the 2010 draft and should be a top 10 pick..

So grain of salt on is video eye..

 

They show the play vs. Williams and at no point did Williams slip.. He got man handled and then put on skates..

So because mel missed on a guy throw everything he says in the trash can ok. But looking at that exact play he def wins at the point of attack but looks like he stumbled on the guy behind him or something its a weird looking play. Its not some I just destroyed a guy play like your making it out to be and thats the only win he got the whole gm on Williams who isnt even a left tackle.

[Sub Zero]

4 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

So because mel missed on a guy throw everything he says in the trash can ok. But looking at that exact play he def wins at the point of attack but looks like he stumbled on the guy behind him or something its a weird looking play. Its not some I just destroyed a guy play like your making it out to be and thats the only win he got the whole gm on Williams who isnt even a left tackle.

No you take his opinion with a grain of salt.. You don't have to believe everything you hear.. You can watch the play yourself and form your own judgment.. Really not that hard.. I looked at the play.. He got bull rushed Ferrell had great hand placement and put him on his ass.. Maybe watch a Japanese Sumo wrestling match.. It happens alot..

[Panthero]

Ferrell does have a thing going on with his toe. Not sure if its some chronic thing or not.

Terrell Suggs ran an absolutely terrible forty. A 4-3 rush end doesnt need to be fast over 40 yrds. I want to know their numbers on other events to see if they are athletic. Ferrell is an average athelete. That means he has to play with great technique and smarts, which is what all the draftniks say he does. 

The freaks are vaunted because even late in the game when things get sloppy that doesnt go away but technique can. 

Ferrell should be a fine player but beating another non athletic jonah williams who is also a technique guy doesnt blow me away. 

Really reminds me of the guy from Tennessee that went to Philly, Derek Barnett. 

[poorboysrev]

8 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

I just listen to Mel (first draft podcast)go over that game and he said that's a popular misconception. He said Williams got off balance once and then Ferrell pushed him to the ground. any other time he went unblocked and ran free. He actually said he thought williams did a pretty good job on him other than that. i will post the link.http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=26375029 March 27th episode around 27.38 he speaks on Ferrell vs Williams

I read some of Jonah’s on words on the battle and on that play. And he said he tried to be aggressive and get his hands out on Ferrell first on that play and Ferrell used his hands well and got into his chest, couldn’t get his foot back set on the turf. Didn’t mention tripping over anyone or anything. It was a good battle between 2 good players they both won some and lost some and had a lot of draws. I’m not saying he’s going to all of the sudden be a JPP, Pep level guy that he’s not. I think the Derek Barnett comparison is pretty spot on. Michael strahan was by no means an athletic freak...and he had  a pretty damn good career. If we get burns I’ll totally be excited by that pick or if sweat somehow makes it to us. Gary’s the only one that really scares me but if they take him I’ll become his biggest fan and hope they’re right on him ha

[JARROD]

17 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, Keuchly was a top talent in that draft class, Ferrell is likely not in this class. I wouldn caution people against getting ultra high expectations for Ferrell because he isn't likely to be a regular double digit sack guy. That's fine, however, he has lots of other attributes that can contribute to being successful. 

I don't see why a certain portion seem to think he is an elite pass rusher nor do I see why a certain portion seem to think he is a scrub. Neither of those two are likely to be right.

He’s a solid starter day 1, and should be a pro bowler. There’s no doubt about that. He wants it, loves football and has the work ethic— plus he does have “violent hands” ha.

i just don’t get the hate for that guy. His videos blow away Burns, Gary and others.

[micnificent28]

2 hours ago, Panthero said:

Ferrell does have a thing going on with his toe. Not sure if its some chronic thing or not.

Terrell Suggs ran an absolutely terrible forty. A 4-3 rush end doesnt need to be fast over 40 yrds. I want to know their numbers on other events to see if they are athletic. Ferrell is an average athelete. That means he has to play with great technique and smarts, which is what all the draftniks say he does. 

The freaks are vaunted because even late in the game when things get sloppy that doesnt go away but technique can. 

Ferrell should be a fine player but beating another non athletic jonah williams who is also a technique guy doesnt blow me away. 

Really reminds me of the guy from Tennessee that went to Philly, Derek Barnett. 

 

34 minutes ago, poorboysrev said:

I read some of Jonah’s on words on the battle and on that play. And he said he tried to be aggressive and get his hands out on Ferrell first on that play and Ferrell used his hands well and got into his chest, couldn’t get his foot back set on the turf. Didn’t mention tripping over anyone or anything. It was a good battle between 2 good players they both won some and lost some and had a lot of draws. I’m not saying he’s going to all of the sudden be a JPP, Pep level guy that he’s not. I think the Derek Barnett comparison is pretty spot on. Michael strahan was by no means an athletic freak...and he had  a pretty damn good career. If we get burns I’ll totally be excited by that pick or if sweat somehow makes it to us. Gary’s the only one that really scares me but if they take him I’ll become his biggest fan and hope they’re right on him ha

You guys do realize Derek Barnett isn’t really doing poo in the league.You are giving me even More reasons to not want an un athletic guy. Technique can only get you so far if u don’t have the go given ability to dominate your opponent. Ideally, you would want technique and ability, but if I had to choose one give me ability then we will work on technique. We can’t afford this kind of production and make the playoffs, nor can ron and hurney I hope they know that.

[Panthero]

1 minute ago, JARROD said:

He’s a solid starter day 1, and should be a pro bowler. There’s no doubt about that. He wants it, loves football and has the work ethic— plus he does have “violent hands” ha.

i just don’t get the hate for that guy. His videos blow away Burns, Gary and others.

His film is very good. The question is how much of that is his current superiority with technique. Will that work against the best left tackles? Maybe. The reason people arent higher is that he doesnt have that athletic pedigree and therefore may have a lower ceiling. If burns gets better coaching many think he can be great. Ferrell is ready to go but may not get much better because he doesnt have that superior athleticism. Hes already great at what nfl coaching can provide him. 

[micnificent28]

1 minute ago, Panthero said:

His film is very good. The question is how much of that is his current superiority with technique. Will that work against the best left tackles? Maybe. The reason people arent higher is that he doesnt have that athletic pedigree and therefore may have a lower ceiling. If burns gets better coaching many think he can be great. Ferrell is ready to go but may not get much better because he doesnt have that superior athleticism. Hes already great at what nfl coaching can provide him. 

This is my only point with Ferrell. I don’t think he’s a terrible player.  But like you said Will this work against superior talents? Williams was also a tech guy and a right tackle at that add in he was also not very athletic. So this tape doesn’t do much for me. In a class with so many Crazy talents, Maybe some of the best ever.. should we be aiming for average?

[Panthero]

1 minute ago, micnificent28 said:

This is my only point with Ferrell. I don’t think he’s a terrible player.  But like you said Will this work against superior talents? Williams was also a tech guy and a right tackle at that add in he was also not very athletic. So this tape doesn’t do much for me. In a class with so many Crazy talents, Maybe some of the best ever.. should we be aiming for average?

Agree. Thats the risk as i see it. If we were like philly and looking for a platoon guy, hes perfect. Not sure we are there with our current depth.

[JARROD]

6 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

 

You guys do realize Derek Barnett isn’t really doing poo in the league.You are giving me even More reasons to not want an un athletic guy. Technique can only get you so far if u don’t have the go given ability to dominate your opponent. Ideally, you would want technique and ability, but if I had to choose one give me ability then we will work on technique. We can’t afford this kind of production and make the playoffs, nor can ron and hurney I hope they know that.

Have you actually watched all of the videos on these guys like Bosa, Allen, Sweat, Burns, Gary, Ferrell, Chase, Jalen Jelks, Christian Miller and others?

take some time and do that, watch at least 2-3 of them each and then say that.

[micnificent28]

1 minute ago, JARROD said:

Have you actually watched all of the videos on these guys like Bosa, Allen, Sweat, Burns, Gary, Ferrell, Chase, Jalen Jelks, Christian Miller and others?

take some time and do that, watch at least 2-3 of them each and then say that.

I’m gonna stop right around Gary. Those guys right there around are the first round targets. The rest I’m not taking at 16.  Ferrell I have watched More of than I care to watch and he doesn’t do much for me. Your predicting Pro Bowl and all that but that rarely happens with players with his limited skill set. He’s not overly strong, or fast he’s just a solid player. 

Statistically he’s put up better numbers than all of those guys.. why would we even have a shot a someone who is as gifted and putting up the production he has?  The answer is he has limited ability. His hands can be as violent as they want but he isn’t bull rushing NFL left tackles or running around them. So what does he resort to when their technique matches his? 

As the man above said he’s a fine rotation complimentary rusher. If u need a double digit sack a year guy your better of testing one of the other guys. The fact that we pick this low and have a shot at a double digit sack talent speaks to the talent of this class.

[JARROD]

watch both. 

Burns will or could be good at some point but he relies on his speed and has zero power, actually looks fragile.

now watch Jalen Jelks, similar size etc— just as quick as Burns yet much more power and shows a lot of different techniques. 

For me, the first round guy can make a major impact today— that’s Ferrell over Burns. If you want a project that has a lot less boom or bust than Burns, take a Jelks in the 4th or 5th and you have your “Burns”

watch the tape and call me crazy