Panthers uneasy with Gano

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, TN05 said:

No, we didn’t. Gano has been better than Butker the last two years and has a far stronger leg. The only downside was cost.

Is that all? Cost? I mean....who needs money? 

 2017- Gano- 4M  Butker- .5M. 

 2018-Gano-3.5M Butker .5M 

 Plus 5.6M of guaranteed money left on his contract.  And 6.5M in salary for similar production. Although KC happily signed Butker to a long-term contract this off-season. We are trying to get rid of ours. So Gano being better is just another fantasy. And Butker had two

more cheap years if he stays here. 

 2017-2020 Butker would have made a total of around 2.5M TOTAl. While Gano pulled downs around 17.2M 

 Think around 15M matters. 

[Sgt Schultz]

I don't think Gano has a clear cut advantage over Butker, either.  Depending on what you are looking for, maybe the edge goes to Butker.

In the last two seasons....

Gano is 43 of 46 on FGs, or 93.5%.  while 64 out of 70 on PATs, or 91.4%. 

Butker is 62 of 69 on FGs, or 89.9%, while 53 of 54 on PATs, or 98.1%

That looks about like a push to me.  Gano's PAT percentage concerns me more than his edge in FG percentage, but that is my own judgement. 

[TN05]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

Is that all? Cost? I mean....who needs money? 

 2017- Gano- 4M  Butker- .5M. 

 2018-Gano-3.5M Butker .5M 

 Plus 5.6M of guaranteed money left on his contract.  And 6.5M in salary for similar production. Although KC happily signed Butker to a long-term contract this off-season. We are trying to get rid of ours. So Gano being better is just another fantasy. And Butker had two

more cheap years if he stays here. 

 2017-2020 Butker would have made a total of around 2.5M TOTAl. While Gano pulled downs around 17.2M 

 Think around 15M matters. 

Look at the actual statistics and Gano is a better kicker than Butker. This has been done by someone else in another thread, but it was quite conclusive. Butker is good but again, different priorities - his leg isn’t as strong. He’s accurate, but his cap seems to be 55 or so. Gano’s career long is 10 yards further out than Butker’s. 

[TN05]

5 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I don't think Gano has a clear cut advantage over Butker, either.  Depending on what you are looking for, maybe the edge goes to Butker.

In the last two seasons....

Gano is 43 of 46 on FGs, or 93.5%.  while 64 out of 70 on PATs, or 91.4%. 

Butker is 62 of 69 on FGs, or 89.9%, while 53 of 54 on PATs, or 98.1%

That looks about like a push to me.  Gano's PAT percentage concerns me more than his edge in FG percentage, but that is my own judgement. 

Look at length. Gano’s long is 63, Butker’s is 54. That’s not a trivial difference. Also your numbers aren’t right - Butker attempted far more PATs than that. Regardless, extra points are worth 3x less. And keep in mind, kickers can look good in the short term. Catanzero looked good last year. Now? He’s out of the league after a bad preseason. Stability is the most important thing at the kicker position. If you aren’t 100% sure the alternative is better, don’t risk it

[Toomers]

Just now, TN05 said:

Look at the actual statistics and Gano is a better kicker than Butker. This has been done by someone else in another thread, but it was quite conclusive. Butker is good but again, different priorities - his leg isn’t as strong. He’s accurate, but his cap seems to be 55 or so. Gano’s career long is 10 yards further out than Butker’s. 

Yet he spends his one “prime” year not even making a 50 yard FG. I’m sure someone spun the stats to your liking. But once you show them I expect they will have serious holes in them. Butker is 6-9 from 50+. Gano is 3-5. That stronger leg doesnt seem to help much. 

  Show some more. And address the money that you and your favorite GM seem to consistently dismiss. 

[TheRed]

TN05 is either Gano himself or his sibling.

Never seen anyone so hellbent to go to bat for a fugging kicker.

[TN05]

1 minute ago, TheRed said:

TN05 is either Gano himself or his sibling.

Never seen anyone so hellbent to go to bat for a fugging kicker.

I’ve never seen someone with such a hate boner for a top-10 player at their position.

[TN05]

2 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Yet he spends his one “prime” year not even making a 50 yard FG. I’m sure someone spun the stats to your liking.

He made one from 59 in the playoffs.

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, TN05 said:

Look at length. Gano’s long is 63, Butker’s is 54. That’s not a trivial difference. Also your numbers aren’t right - Butker attempted far more PATs than that. Regardless, extra points are worth 3x less. And keep in mind, kickers can look good in the short term. Catanzero looked good last year. Now? He’s out of the league after a bad preseason. Stability is the most important thing at the kicker position. If you aren’t 100% sure the alternative is better, don’t risk it

   

  So Gano’s 2017 doesn’t matter because his longest FG was 48 yds. Why was that?

 

[Waldo]

4 minutes ago, TN05 said:

Look at length. Gano’s long is 63, Butker’s is 54. That’s not a trivial difference. Also your numbers aren’t right - Butker attempted far more PATs than that.

Which one finished the year healthy and has been alive and active in the preseason in preparation for playing this year? Gano had an amazing kick vs the Giants and he has been solid the last two years but he is expensive and looks to be in decline. I would much rather have that money to use this off-season. He belongs on the IR at this point.

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, TN05 said:

He made one from 59 in the playoffs.

And missed from 25. 

[Sgt Schultz]

5 minutes ago, TN05 said:

Look at length. Gano’s long is 63, Butker’s is 54. That’s not a trivial difference. Also your numbers aren’t right - Butker attempted far more PATs than that.

You are correct on Butker's PAT's.  When I pulled it down from NFL Reference, I inadvertently got Hauschka's PAT numbers from Buffalo, who apparently does not score TDs.

Butker's numbers for PAT's are 93 of 97 for a 95.9% clip.  Still better than Gano in this area, and the combined with Gano's edge in FG percentage, it does not translate to Gano being clearly better, nor the difference in salary.  

For the difference in salary, I would expect a very clear edge. 

[Toomers]

3 minutes ago, TN05 said:

I’ve never seen someone with such a hate boner for a top-10 player at their position.

Who would that be? 

[Mr. Scot]

A kicker making one or two super long kicks in the past doesn't really hold that much weight with me, especially when they can't seem to get on the field right now. And realistically, how often am I going to need somebody to do that?

That's kind of like signing a return man who has a low average but once or twice in his career had a hundred yard return for a touchdown over a guy who has a better average that just hasn't taken one all the way before.

Look at the big picture, not the highlight reel.