Allen's longevity

[Mr. Scot]

Longevity and endurance are elements that get left out of a lot of conversations.

You see it a lot of times with older players. They come in Week 1 or Week 2 and play well, leading people to say, "See, they're gonna be fine."

My response to that is generally "Talk to me around Week 10".

But there's a question with regard to young players too. It's one thing to see how good a guy is now, but you also have to try to predict how long they're going to be good.

That's extremely difficult to do.

Remember Philly Brown? He had a season or so where he looked pretty good. Based on that, it would have been easy to think about extending him.

But it turned out that  stretch was all he really had in him.

With that in mind, we now have a report that Kyle Allen has a shoulder injury, though it's not expected to be serious.

And it may not be.

It brings up the question, though. Yes, he's played well, but how long can he continue?

To be clear, I'm not trying to say that this is a sign that Allen isn't gonna last. Nobody knows. It could just be a glitch, but yes it could be the start of something larger. There's just no way to know for certain.

What I'm really saying is that it's something to keep in mind with regard to Allen, and pretty much every other player to be honest.

Remember, it's a marathon, not a sprint. Always keep in mind that how good a player is going to be is just as important as how good they are now.

Maybe more so.

[NAS]

That’s what she said lol

 

sorry, good points

[My Goodness My Guinness]

Fortunately for us but unfortunately for Allen, we pretty much have him on the hook for below 1 million per year til 2022. So there is no reason why we would extend him unless we just want to be nice. So we would theoretically get to see how he performs next year. If he does do well and show to take the next step to become a legitimate starter moving forward then we can talk about an extension that’s more than 1 million per year.

The panthers are in the absolute best spot with him and his contract, even if he is just a backup.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28030571/could-kyle-allen-carolina-dak-prescott-why-ultimate-bargain%3fplatform=amp

[Mr. Scot]

I probably should have seen that coming 

 

 

 

No, that's not "what she said" either.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, My Goodness My Guinness said:

Fortunately for us but unfortunately for Allen, we pretty much have him on the hook for below 1 million per year til 2022. So there is no reason why we would extend him unless we just want to be nice. So we would theoretically get to see how he performs next year. If he does do well and show to take the next step to become a legitimate starter moving forward then we can talk about an extension that’s more than 1 million per year.

The panthers are in the absolute best spot with him and his contract, even if he is just a backup.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28030571/could-kyle-allen-carolina-dak-prescott-why-ultimate-bargain%3fplatform=amp

I'd have to look back at it but there was something mentioned in an article earlier today saying the Panthers can't extend him just yet.

I don't think that was necessarily A consideration at this point (although Joe Person has talked about it) but I'll have to look for that.

[WarPanthers89]

Allen’s floor is an above average backup and we know that. We are lucky enough to have him for the next few years and other than that anything is a bonus. 

[Bartin]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'd have to look back at it but there was something mentioned in an article earlier today saying the Panthers can't extend him just yet.

I don't think that was necessarily A consideration at this point (although Joe Person has talked about it) but I'll have to look for that.

He can apparently be extended

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001074688/article/panthers-cam-newton-foot-now-considering-surgery
 

“Allen, who surprisingly emerged as the starter, also has a fascinating contract situation. In his second year, Allen just has one accrued season because he spent most of last season on the practice squad. That means he was cut off his rookie contract.

Because of that, he's a rare starting QB who can be extended at any point. In fact, if Carolina wanted, it could extend Allen this offseason -- a year earlier than all other players who came out in 2018.”

 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Bartin said:

He can apparently be extended

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001074688/article/panthers-cam-newton-foot-now-considering-surgery

“Allen, who surprisingly emerged as the starter, also has a fascinating contract situation. In his second year, Allen just has one accrued season because he spent most of last season on the practice squad. That means he was cut off his rookie contract.

Because of that, he's a rare starting QB who can be extended at any point. In fact, if Carolina wanted, it could extend Allen this offseason -- a year earlier than all other players who came out in 2018.”

What I saw was somewhere else. I'll look for it at some point.

Not a big deal except it's one of those things that'll bug me until I remember where I saw it 

[Bartin]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

What I saw was somewhere else. I'll look for it at some point.

Not a big deal except it's one of those things that'll bug me until I remember where I saw it 

That he can be extended definitely puts us in a precarious position. Obviously we will tender him as an ERFA so he can’t go anywhere else but his agent will no doubt ask for more money than the minimum he would normally get or threaten to hold him out. I imagine they will ask for something in the $5M range which is pretty normal vet backup money. Were we to trade Cam we lose a lot of leverage in that negotiation because it would be obvious we want to move forward with him starting for at least a year. At that point he might be looking for starter money.

It might be best just to give him a 2 year deal at around $5M/year unless we are committed to taking a QB in the 1st.

[Snake]

He has a shoulder injury because Turner allowed him to get blasted by a Titans DT. Not because he's breaking down. 

[Mr. Scot]

25 minutes ago, Snake said:

He has a shoulder injury because Turner allowed him to get blasted by a Titans DT. Not because he's breaking down. 

Wear and tear from getting hit is part of the equation.

If it weren't, we might be talking about how good a career David Carr had.

[Snake]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Wear and tear from getting hit is part of the equation.

If it weren't, we might be talking about how good a career David Carr had.

Different being hit and blasted. Also the Texans still don't put much faith in their lines and look at their success.