HYPOTHETICAL Cam Trades Thread

[SBiii]

1 hour ago, Wire Dawg said:

Humm, good question, yes I would.

Because, if he is balls out "game ready" he is going to want a deal before the pre-season is over.

He won't be playing without some sort of ink in place.

It doesn't matter what he "wants".

Cam has zero leverage at this point in time.  This will remain the case until he plays again in full pads, in a real games, a full season of them...preseason does not count.

Cam is on a 1-year make-good deal and if he ever wants to sign another NFL contract he's gonna have to show up next year and ball out and make good...

...I hope he is able to do so.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, SBiii said:

It doesn't matter what he "wants".

Cam has zero leverage at this point in time.  This will remain the case until he plays again in full pads, in a real games, a full season of them...preseason does not count.

Cam is on a 1-year make-good deal and if he ever wants to sign another NFL contract he's gonna have to show up next year and ball out and make good...

...I hope he is able to do so.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllll.....I mean, he does actually have some leverage. He is always able to hold out. It's been an increasing NFL trend. Would I expect him to do it? No because he just seems to be such a team oriented player. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, uncfan888 said:

You think about this stuff way too much. 

Reverse the situation.

If we traded a first rounder for a guy that hadn't been healthy for two years, most of us would blow our stacks.

[thefuzz]

What I want, and what Cam would bring on the open market are two very different things.

If Cam is able to play, and pass a physical, I want him to stay here next season and finish his contract.  No holdout, no new deal, just come in, work, play, and see if you can stay healthy.  We will discuss a new contract once we see that he can do a full offseason, and season without any limitations.

That's what I want.  However I don't think that's any more likely to happen than me turning into an astronaut this evening.

My thought is that Cam has soured on the organization, and possibly the org. has soured on Cam.  Ron and Marty are packing their bags after week 17, and Cam is likely going to be on the way out with them.  Weather that be via trade, retirement, or just flat out cut.

So, obviously I WANT something for him if he is leaving either way, so a trade is the best move for the Panthers.

Guessing that would be a 2nd, or possibly a 3rd.  Maybe a 2 and a 5 or something like that.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Reverse the situation.

If we traded a first rounder for a guy that hadn't been healthy for two years, most of us would blow our stacks.

Honestly, that would really depend on the level of desperation and the scenarios. I might not be adverse to that kind of high stakes gamble in certain situations.

[thefuzz]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

Honestly, that would really depend on the level of desperation and the scenarios. I might not be adverse to that kind of high stakes gamble in certain situations.

I disagree.  Name 1 player who has missed as much time as Cam over the past two seasons that you would be willing to part with a 1 for.

I'm trying to think of one but I can't.

[SBiii]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllll.....I mean, he does actually have some leverage. He is always able to hold out. It's been an increasing NFL trend. Would I expect him to do it? No because he just seems to be such a team oriented player. 

Players at the top of their game have the ability to use holding out as a lever in the negotiations...

....Cam certainly could do so but if he did the conclusion that would be drawn is he is clinically insane.

Tepper would laugh in his face and there is zero chance Cam's holdout would result in a big new deal --- in fact, it would be more likely to be the final nail in his career coffin.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

14 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

That doesn't really seem to be an option, though.

Why not?

13 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Nobody knows what will happen in the future.

I do know the people who've brought out the information are people I trust because they're right way more often than they're wrong.

Weird how the "nobody knows" aspect only pops up when its something you don't want.  When it lines up with your "Get Cam out of Carolina" narrative.  Well.  then we know.  Because there is no option where Cam stays.

13 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I get that, but the primary factors in the equation aren't really dependent on what happens the rest of the season.

Newton wants an extension, and is apparently unwilling to play without one (a reasonable position for a quarterback of his age and status).

Tepper doesn't want to give him one. He wasn't sold on the idea at the time he bought the team, and nothing that's happened since has really served to change his mind (also a reasonable position when you look at the last few years).

For Newton to stay, one of those two sides has to change their mind. Most don't believe that's going to happen.

So here we are...

Is there a source on Cam being unwilling to play without an extension?  I couldn't find one.

1 hour ago, bull123 said:

CBS reporting Cam would be open to trade to Bears?

if they are willing to give us a first rounder right now, and have seen nothing to indicate that,  I would hold out for more

Bears don't have a first rounder to give.

[kungfoodude]

8 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

I disagree.  Name 1 player who has missed as much time as Cam over the past two seasons that you would be willing to part with a 1 for.

I'm trying to think of one but I can't.

I'm not really thinking of specific players, more specific scenarios. But, fair point.

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, SBiii said:

Players at the top of their game have the ability to use holding out as a lever in the negotiations...

....Cam certainly could do so but if he did the conclusion that would be drawn is he is clinically insane.

Tepper would laugh in his face and there is zero chance Cam's holdout would result in a big new deal --- in fact, it would be more likely to be the final nail in his career coffin.

It's not leverage for negotiations, more leverage to be traded or cut. 

[Mr. Scot]

13 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

What I want, and what Cam would bring on the open market are two very different things.

If Cam is able to play, and pass a physical, I want him to stay here next season and finish his contract.  No holdout, no new deal, just come in, work, play, and see if you can stay healthy.  We will discuss a new contract once we see that he can do a full offseason, and season without any limitations.

That's what I want.  However I don't think that's any more likely to happen than me turning into an astronaut this evening.

My thought is that Cam has soured on the organization, and possibly the org. has soured on Cam.  Ron and Marty are packing their bags after week 17, and Cam is likely going to be on the way out with them.  Weather that be via trade, retirement, or just flat out cut.

So, obviously I WANT something for him if he is leaving either way, so a trade is the best move for the Panthers.

Guessing that would be a 2nd, or possibly a 3rd.  Maybe a 2 and a 5 or something like that.

That's a distinction a lot of people have trouble making.

Rodrigue said Tepper mentioned at the time he bought the team that he was uncertain about Newton being healthy enough to be offered a new contract. The time since hasn't exactly provided much reassurance in that regard.

[SBiii]

15 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

(i)  Newton wants an extension, and is apparently unwilling to play without one (a reasonable position for a quarterback of his age and status).

(ii)  Tepper doesn't want to give him one. He wasn't sold on the idea at the time he bought the team, and nothing that's happened since has really served to change his mind (also a reasonable position when you look at the last few years).

(i)  Simple logic dictates that 98%* of NFL players prefer a long-term extension before the current contract lapses  but Cam has never said he was unwilling to play next year under his current contract.  As for the "reasonable position"...horse hockey of the highest order.  The guy is in no position to demand a new deal.

(Darrelle Revis preferred a series of 1-year deals)

(ii)  Tepper never said that.  Again, simple logic dictates that there's zero chance Tepper extends Cam as things stand today....but if Cam straps-up and comes in and balls out next season Tepper would have no choice but to sign Cam to a massive 5-year deal. 

 

[SBiii]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

It's not leverage for negotiations, more leverage to be traded or cut. 

Trading and cutting are part of the set of possible outcomes resulting from said negotiations. 

The new news indicates Cam is seriously considering foot surgery at this point....just another weak card in an already weak hand he's been dealt.  

No possible path for him to bluff his way into a new deal or a big trade.

There is one scenario that my analysis ignores --- mental instability/illness.

If the team decides Cam is mentally unstable due to some sort of illness then their willingness to part with him increases exponentially.   

[uncfan888]

And now he's throwing out that cam is mentally unstable... Smh. Good lord