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HYPOTHETICAL Cam Trades Thread

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On 11/10/2019 at 9:26 AM, kungfoodude said:

Since the rumor mill keeps churning up that we may attempt to trade Cam, I have a few questions for people to discuss.

  • What is the minimum you would want in return(what round picks, type of players, etc)?
  • What is the ideal result(picks, players, etc)?
  • What are the likely destinations and/or teams interested?
  • What are the teams you would absolutely NOT want to see him get traded to?
  • First rounder or Player and 2nd or 3rd, Player being comparable. 
  • First rounder and second.
  • I don't see how Chicago would even be in the conversation seeing as they have almost no draft capital since trading most of it away for #52. I'd like to see Denver give us a first, maybe even Miami, Tenn. I'd like to send him to the AFC and not see him in the NFC. But if the Skins or even the Bucs offer a first and a player, I'd be all for it. I know we'd be able to beat Cam twice a year or at least split the series if he went to the Bucs. 
  • Don't care to be honest. As long as the Panthers get some really good picks or a much needed player on the line, I'll be ecstatic. 
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1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I suppose that boils down to how much that lesser value ends up being. I wouldn't want to trade Cam for anything less than a 3rd rounder, that is for sure. 

As for the Bears, they are pretty devoid of good draft capital. 

Still begs the question though, 4th rounder versus nothing, which one are you taking?

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2 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:
  • First rounder or Player and 2nd or 3rd, Player being comparable. 
  • First rounder and second.
  • I don't see how Chicago would even be in the conversation seeing as they have almost no draft capital since trading most of it away for #52. I'd like to see Denver give us a first, maybe even Miami, Tenn. I'd like to send him to the AFC and not see him in the NFC. But if the Skins or even the Bucs offer a first and a player, I'd be all for it. I know we'd be able to beat Cam twice a year or at least split the series if he went to the Bucs. 
  • Don't care to be honest. As long as the Panthers get some really good picks or a much needed player on the line, I'll be ecstatic. 

1st and 2nd may not be realistic but would be an outstanding result. It would suck to see him in Denver given the hatred I have for them after 2015. 

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3 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

I don't see who it wouldn't be realistic. its a QB league. Someone will pay that price. Believe me.

Eh....I mean, we can hope. But we also have to be honest about the fact that the market for him may be pretty reduced due to both the injury concerns and the fact that if we are serious about moving on without him, he may end up getting cut anyway. 

I hope you are right IF we end up moving on, which I absolutely do not want to see. I hope we can generate a lot of interest. I know this much, it will be really painful to see him suit up for someone else.

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What is the ideal situation for a guy coming off multiple injuries and nobody knows what he can do until he actually takes the field again? Sure a doctor can say he’s fully healed but how long will it be before he’s hurt again?

Personally if I’m a GM I’m not giving up a 1st for a guy who I don’t have a clue if he can actually play like he used to. 

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On 11/10/2019 at 11:47 AM, Mr. Scot said:

When you're looking at potential destinations, you have to consider the system.

Everybody talks about Chicago, but Chicago is running an Andy Reid style West Coast Offense. Is that really the best fit?

I see Patrick Mahomes send quite a few down field. Chili used to run the ball a lot and let Favre send it down field a ton.

its all the playcaller in the system.

Norv was calling plays last year that looked like a WCO dunk and dunk.

 

its about the coach, not the system.

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1 minute ago, mc52beast said:

What is the ideal situation for a guy coming off multiple injuries and nobody knows what he can do until he actually takes the field again? Sure a doctor can say he’s fully healed but how long will it be before he’s hurt again?

Personally if I’m a GM I’m not giving up a 1st for a guy who I don’t have a clue if he can actually play like he used to. 

I suspect he is going to be a guy that is pretty difficult to get a read on what his actual trade value is. 

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1 minute ago, JARROD said:

I see Patrick Mahomes send quite a few down field. Chili used to run the ball a lot and let Favre send it down field a ton.

its all the playcaller in the system.

Norv was calling plays last year that looked like a WCO dunk and dunk.

 

its about the coach, not the system.

I also think the "system" may be overrated when it comes to a potential franchise QB. If you have a top shelf talent at the position, you will adjust the offense to help them be as successful as possible. Or...you should.

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On 11/10/2019 at 4:26 PM, kungfoodude said:

Since the rumor mill keeps churning up that we may attempt to trade Cam, I have a few questions for people to discuss.

  • (i)  What is the minimum you would want in return(what round picks, type of players, etc)?
  • (ii)  What is the ideal result(picks, players, etc)?
  • (iii)  What are the likely destinations and/or teams interested?
  • (iv)  What are the teams you would absolutely NOT want to see him get traded to?

(i)  Five 1st rounders and four 2nd rounders....nine pick total.

(ii)  Ideally all the 1st round picks turn into perennial All-Prou and pro3 players.

(iii)  There are no "likely destinations"....Cam will never pay for another NFL team.

(iv)  Doesn't matter....Cam will never be traded. 

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Just now, SBiii said:

(i)  Five 1st rounders and four 2nd rounders....nine pick total.

(ii)  Ideally all the 1st round picks turn into perennial All-Prou and pro3 players.

(iii)  There are no "likely destinations"....Cam will never pay for another NFL team.

(iv)  Doesn't matter....Cam will never be traded. 

Well.....talk about shooting for the moon........

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