complimenting Kyle is not a slight on Cam

[firefox1234]

1 minute ago, Snake said:

Who's the starting QB for the Panthers? 

What does that have to do with anything? The Panthers have had many "starting QBs" and I am sure they will have many more.

[ickmule]

3 minutes ago, LegioX said:

Really wonder how many on this board were Panther fans during Delhomme era.

Me 

[Snake]

1 minute ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

kyle allen is not good and saying that isn’t the product of “clouded judgment” the problem is that a segment of the fan base is really, really committed to portraying him as something he’s not. it’s not enough to say he’s a backup making the best of the situation, a non controversial statement that i will totally buy. no, it has to be “oh wow what a throw truly incredible” when he hits a wide open receiver 2 yards downfield. the sheer ignorance required to use qb winzzzz as some sort of useful statistic for evaluating his individual performance.

we are talking about a guy who won’t or can’t throw the ball downfield and turns the ball over more often than he scores. he’s a bum. cross your fingers and pray that he’ll magically turn into drew brees overnight or w/e but he does not look impressive at all and saying that doesn’t make you less of a fan or a secret cam only fan or a reverse racist or what the fug ever the f150s think

Poor little snowflake nut hugger melting because there dreams didn't come true. It's ok little guy. 

[electro's horse]

1 minute ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

kyle allen is not good and saying that isn’t the product of “clouded judgment” the problem is that a segment of the fan base is really, really committed to portraying him as something he’s not. it’s not enough to say he’s a backup making the best of the situation, a non controversial statement that i will totally buy. no, it has to be “oh wow what a throw truly incredible” when he hits a wide open receiver 2 yards downfield. the sheer ignorance required to use qb winzzzz as some sort of useful statistic for evaluating his individual performance.

we are talking about a guy who won’t or can’t throw the ball downfield and turns the ball over more often than he scores. he’s a bum. cross your fingers and pray that he’ll magically turn into drew brees overnight or w/e but he does not look impressive at all and saying that doesn’t make you less of a fan or a secret cam only fan or a reverse racist or what the fug ever the f150s think

I think you're making some valid criticisms of the way people approach things on this board, while at the same time discounting a lot of the positives about Allen's play. 

I think there are a lot of reasons to be optimistic Allen's development, and he's an intriguing process moving forward. There are obviously things to clean up as with any player making their eighth start; things are just hypermagnified due to the nature of the position. 

But none of these things have anything to do with Cam. Like DJ Moore's development doesn't mean anything for Curtis Samuel. 

[Snake]

2 minutes ago, firefox1234 said:

What does that have to do with anything? The Panthers have had many "starting QBs" and I am sure they will have many more.

Who is the starting QB of the Carolina Panthers? 

[KillerKat]

There's 2 separate things going on here. Those level headed, complimenting or criticizing Allen, which is not an issue, and then there are those that do the same but do so behind another agenda. That is the problem. Over-exaggerating Allen's play. Calling him great or the future even after a game like today. It's just funny to see all the positive threads complimenting Allen after he had a day where he had 2 momentum changing turnovers and had issues throwing deep whereas Newton has gotten crucified for not only the same type of performance but his leadership is brought into question as well as his demeanor and the way he dresses.

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, LegioX said:

Really wonder how many on this board were Panther fans during Delhomme era.

I was.

Allen at this point looks a lot like he did when he first got here, which is actually a compliment given that Delhomme had actually been in the NFL for a while at that point.

[firefox1234]

I can honestly say there is a lot to be optimistic about Allen, but to say that the promise Allen is showing is even close to what Cam showed in his younger years is being disingenuous. There is very much a big difference the way our MVP QB was treated in his early years compared to Allen and many don't bother hiding it.

[KillerKat]

1 minute ago, Gingersnaps said:

The one Super Bowl Cam has been to he didn't want to win it.  Roll with Kyle and fill in the gaps with the extra money.

Right on time lol

[electro's horse]

Just now, KillerKat said:

 Calling him great or the future even after a game like today. It's just funny to see all the positive threads complimenting Allen after he had a day where he had 2 momentum changing turnovers and had issues throwing deep whereas Newton has gotten crucified for not only the same type of performance but his leadership is brought into question as well as his demeanor and the way he dresses.

I mean no one in this thread is calling him great or the future. 

I'm not going to talk about his play today, but Cam had plenty of horrible turnovers, and plenty of great gritty plays. 

[TheRed]

The problem with callout threads like this is there are actually a majority of fans here who have given Allen the benefit of the doubt. Myself included. I will continue to do so and reserve full judgment of his capabilities as a starter until the season concludes.

Also let's fugging rewind to last year around this time when how many of these same fans reveling in a loss now were downplaying him and saying his win in New Orleans didn't matter?

[electro's horse]

Just now, firefox1234 said:

I can honestly say there is a lot to be optimistic about Allen, but to say that the promise Allen is showing is even close to what Cam showed in his younger years is being disingenuous. There is very much a big difference the way our MVP QB was treated in his early years compared to Allen and many don't bother hiding it.

Well Cam won rookie of the year, so I'm not sure how you can say he was poorly treated in his early years in that regard. 

he definitely had huge expectations in his second season (Ryan Kalil's charlotte observer ad?) that they didn't live up to, but that was due to a lot of issues, some out of his control. 

No rookie QB has ever shown the promise of Cam Newton; that's an impossible standard to compare anyone against. The story of Cam's development is a long one, and there are a billion positive and negative factors.

Not a single one of them have anything to do with this current situation. 

[electro's horse]

Just now, Gingersnaps said:

You disagree?  As I remember it that fumble was an important time of that game.  We outgained the Broncos.  If not for that short field on that possession we might have won.

That fumble meant nothing looking back. That game was over in the first quarter. 

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

But none of these things have anything to do with Cam. Like DJ Moore's development doesn't mean anything for Curtis Samuel. 

This is where some of the disconnect comes in.

It almost feels like some people think if they can come up with a convincing enough argument that Kyle Allen is terrible, it'll change what happens with Newton this offseason.

It wont.

While it's not absolutely impossible that Newton could be back, the factors that actually are a part of the issue make it highly unlikely. And as you said, none of it has anything to do with Allen.

Kyle Allen could finish this season with the worst quarterback performance ever, and it wouldn't change a thing.

Allen isn't the reason the Panthers are looking at parting ways with Newton. He's just one of the possible options to be his successor.

And if he ultimately isn't the choice, it'll be somebody else.