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Kyle Allen Statistical Rankings

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2 minutes ago, Towelboy said:

This is the same Kyle Allen who lost the starting job at the University of Houston after committing six turnovers (four interceptions, two fumbles) in the first two games. This is who he is and the guy I feared would resurface. Why not give the other young arm a chance? Is Will Grier that bad that he can't be given a shot? Its time to see what we have on the roster because if the skid continues and Cam never recovers, we need to have a back-up plan for QB.

Because you would see worse results. No QB outside of Lamar Jackson could make these WRs and Line look worth a damn. He could only do it rushing for 150 every game. 

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9 minutes ago, Snake said:

Glad you have such wisdom you can call a players career after less than a year. Your a real smart Cam Hugger. 

Snake, the issue is that with players like Cam is that the talent was extremely obvious in college. The skill set was obviously there. Well, that wasn't evident in Kyle while he was in college. He didn't have the same career or was a 1st round draft pick that gets you the kind of rope that a Mariota or Winston would get. He also doesn't show the same high level playing abilities that any of those guys do in the NFL either. 

That's how you end up with a much shorter leash. Kyle Allen isn't showing anything other than what most of the "rumor mill" churned up from around the league said about him. He's at his very best an average NFL QB but more likely a capable backup that can fill in for a few games a year if your starter goes down. 

He's not the future, here or anywhere. You aren't wrong about "judging a player after less than a year" but the difference is that this guy isn't showing high level playing ability like some of these more talented QB's are. 

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He's about the 30th best quarterback in the NFL, which means he's a solid backup.  That seems about right.  

 

I wouldn't mind switching to Grier, just so we can see how he stacks up to Allen.  If he ends up being roughly the same as Allen, that gives us the option to trade one.

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Just now, hepcat said:

I didn't mention Cam at all in my statement. Regardless, Kyle Allen is obviously getting worse.

He's not getting worse, he's playing better competition. Thinking you can lean on a undrafted Rookie is fools gold if you have a line that can't even punch it in from the one. 

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5 minutes ago, Snake said:

No one would look good with our line. Cam didn't even make it out of the preseason. Well maybe Lamar Jackson but almost no one. 

Sure, not many QB's would look good but also not many QB's would be this bad, either. 

Do you want me to do a comparison of OL play(stats and metrics) to QB performance?

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I like Kyle and appreciate what he's done for the team, however, its time to see what the other option on the roster can do. He's thrown nine interceptions in four games and only three TDs. He's turned the ball over 14 times in eight games. Those numbers should be enough to sit him and see what his backup can do. 

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11 minutes ago, hepcat said:

He's doing exactly what everyone who watched him in college told me he would do. He looks great early on, and he gets worse as he goes. At this point he has zero business on an NFL field.

 

I was worried this would happen. You don't just throw a ton of interceptions in college to the point you are benched and you leave the school and then magically get all those issues resolved on their own.

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3 minutes ago, Snake said:

He's not getting worse, he's playing better competition. Thinking you can lean on a undrafted Rookie is fools gold if you have a line that can't even punch it in from the one. 

You surely cannot mean that when we just played the 2-7 Falcons. A game in which we faced the 31st ranked pass defense(per Football Outsiders). Come on, man.

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1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Snake, the issue is that with players like Cam is that the talent was extremely obvious in college. The skill set was obviously there. Well, that wasn't evident in Kyle in college he didn't have the same career or was a 1st round draft pick that gets you the kind of rope that a Mariota or Winston would get. He also doesn't show the same high level playing abilities that any of those guys do in the NFL either. 

That's how you end up with a much shorter leash. Kyle Allen isn't showing anything other than what most of the "rumor mill" churned up from around the league said about him. He's at his very best an average NFL QB but more likely a capable backup that can fill in for a few games a year if your starter goes down. 

He's not the future, here or anywhere. You aren't wrong about "judging a player after less than a year" but the difference is that this guy isn't showing high level playing ability like some of these more talented QB's are. 

You can't make that judgment after less than a year with one of the worst lines I've seen us have. And we have had some bad ones. No one is arguing he's going to be like Cam nor can he succeed in those conditions. Hell Cam was given no one on offense the last 6 years. The only guy he had was Olsen and this year he's not even the player he once was. I'm not even sure Curtis Samuel is as good as Funchess. We have a poor group all around on offense this year and judging Kyle is like saying Moton needs to be replaced because he can't stop edge rushers. Or Little is a Bust because he can't be healthy and stop his man. 

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On 11/10/2019 at 4:46 PM, Chosen Newton said:

Kyle allen being exposed as being nothing more than a game manager 

I hate to say I told you so.....but I told you so. All these Kyle allen fans just live in the moment, he throws for 4TDs and suddenly he’s the next coming of Tom Brady. Chill tf out and leave this huddle. Y’all are a headache and dnt know crap

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5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Sure, not many QB's would look good but also not many QB's would be this bad, either. 

Do you want me to do a comparison of OL play(stats and metrics) to QB performance?

Yes they would. It's not like we are playing cupcake teams. The Falcons just took down the supposedly one of the best teams in the league in NO. 

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