How long could you handle...

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

On the flip side, we've had only a few seasons of less that 7 wins in 25 years.  Nothing to really toot your horn over, but again, there are fan bases that deal with much worse.

That's objectively true, but it's one of those things that makes me cringe because it's the same argument that's very frequently used to defend the idea of sticking with Ron Rivera and/or Marty Hurney.

[45catfan]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

He's getting the headquarters though.

Frankly, the more I read about that, the more I think "Tepper World" is going to be built to outdo Jerry World.

The new practice facility was almost a given and it was tax breaks (loss of tax revenue) rather than a new tax hike that made that come to fruition.  No burden to the tax payer. A new stadium...that HAS to be in the form of a new or increased tax.  Totally different ballgame there.

[thefuzz]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I always have a hard time accepting that argument because you make more money by winning.

Granted, you can still make good money without it, but not as much.

And for whatever else you think of Tepper, his whole "what I care most about is winning" thing is something I believe to be the truth. He's too competitive for it not to be.

What that the Spanos' family done to think that they actually want a winning football team long term?

Do they want one?  Sure.  Is it THE MOST IMPORTANT thing to them?  Nah.

The winning is nice, but the easy money is nicer.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

I'd be ok if he is at least trying to make changes. Sticking with someone for too long is idiotic. If Rivera is here another year, I'm taking the year off like I did in 2010 when Fox still stuck around.

I suspect you might not be alone.

At this point, I'm not even trying to predict what's going to happen with Ron and Marty.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

What that the Spanos' family done to think that they actually want a winning football team long term?

Do they want one?  Sure.  Is it THE MOST IMPORTANT thing to them?  Nah.

The winning is nice, but the easy money is nicer.

Valid.

I do feel fairly comfortable saying that the guy who bought his ex-wife's house just to tear it down probably has a bit more of a competitive streak in him though.

[raleigh-panther]

I can stand a young team that fights and gets progressively better

i can stand an injured team that fights and is competitive until those injured comes back

what I can’t stand is an unmotivated professional team that has a ‘just glad to be here’ attitude  coached by a stupid (sorry no other term for it) unmotivated, just glad to be here coaching staff that gets humiliated several times a year on national tv, both home and away......a team that consistently makes every conceivable mistake that a team  and staff can make in 4 qtrs of football...not peewee...not jr high...not jr varsity...not high school...not college...PRO FOOTBALL 

in pro football, if you aren’t getting better, you are getting worse

[Udogg]

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Valid.

I do feel fairly comfortable saying that the guy who bought his ex-wife's house just to tear it down probably has a bit more of a competitive streak in him though.

100% agree.....so far.

What I have heard is a lot of rah rah out of Tepper.  Now comes the tough decisions....let's see if he can pull the trigger.

I also heard some of the very same stuff flowing out of Rivera's mouth when he was first hired here as well.  This time I'm going to hold off on the excitement until I see the action.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

42 minutes ago, ellis said:

I get that he’s trying to manage expectations. But realistically, it doesn’t have to take that long.

Exactly! The Fox coached Panthers almost won the Superbowl two seasons after going 1-15 under Seifert.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

100% agree.....so far.

What I have heard is a lot of rah rah out of Tepper.  Now comes the tough decisions....let's see if he can pull the trigger.

I also heard some of the very same stuff flowing out of Rivera's mouth when he was first hired here as well.  This time I'm going to hold off on the excitement until I see the action.

Wanting to win and knowing how to win are two very different things.

I always maintained that Jerry Richardson actually did want to win. He just didn't have a clue how to do it.

My hope for this offseason is still that Tepper manages to snag Kevin Colbert, hands the team over to him and says "you take care of it". That's a guy that knows how to win.

[thefuzz]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Wanting to win and knowing how to win are two very different things.

I always maintained that Jerry Richardson actually did want to win. He just didn't have a clue how to do it.

My hope for this offseason is still that Tepper manages to snag Kevin Colbert, hands the team over to him and says "you take care of it". That's a guy that knows how to win.

All for it...unless we can talk Ozzie out of retirement?

[NanuqoftheNorth]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I always maintained that Jerry Richardson actually did want to win. He just didn't have a clue how to do it.

Richardson was derailed by his ego and nepotism.

He initially assembled a great management team and then handed the keys to the kingdom over to his sons.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Exactly! The Fox coached Panthers almost won the Superbowl two seasons after going 1-15 under Seifert.

Didn't really take the Rams all that long either. Ditto the Broncos when Elway took charge (with John Fox added later, ironically enough).

The downside of each of those examples though, Panthers included, is that it wasn't sustained.

The NFL has shown that you can build a quick winner with relative ease, but building a perennial contender is another story.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

All for it...unless we can talk Ozzie out of retirement?

That thought has crossed my mind. And I think Newsome and Tepper are actually acquainted. I know he's friends with Colbert and trusts him.

Newsome probably doesn't want to be a GM again, but there is always that "consultant" role.