FWIW... New head coaching hires versus experienced head coaching hires

[Proudiddy]

Meant to post this little infographic I saw while watching Total Access the other night, but with the holidays and all, I forgot...  so here it is...  Kind of affirms a feeling I've always had about going with a fresh set of eyes versus the safe, experienced guy.  Then again, all of our hires have been first-time head coaches.  I guess this graphic just proves that although first-time guys might not end up being the right man for the job, coaches who have already done it and moved on (Ahem, McCarthy) aren't the way to go either.

[Mr. Scot]

The only hire so far this offseason is a retread.

[45catfan]

Eh, I'll bite when the number of coaches are closer to equal.  The lower the sample size the less room for error.  Also I would like to see the list of the 12 experienced HCs.  Not every retread is a good hire.

[Mr. Scot]

Last year's "new guys" flopped bad enough to scare teams off of going that route again.

[Ship]

if a HC only has 5 years to win a SB or not at all, isn't the answer to always pick a 1st year HC?

[45catfan]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Last year's "new guys" flopped bad enough to scare teams off of going that route again.

I learned a very valuable lesson in graduate school about no getting a large enough sample size to prove a hypothesis.  Even if the conclusion ends up being correct, it's statistically irrelevant.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, 45catfan said:

I learned a very valuable lesson in graduate school about no getting a large enough sample size to prove a hypothesis.  Even if the conclusion ends up being correct, it's statistically irrelevant.

Granted.

Realistically, the true driver for this data is teams that make smart choices vs teams that make stupid ones.

Marv Levy and Rich Kotite were both retreads but vastly different in quality.

[CBDellinger]

That’s a complicated trend to truly evaluate. There are so many variables from organization to organization, what works for some wont work for others.  Fit matters.  Ideas and personalities need to line up into one vision btwn owner, GM, coaches... all the way down the line. 

[Mr. Scot]

I wonder how many of those are from the Browns.

[philit99]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I wonder how many of those are from the Browns.

They should eliminate the browns and that would solve the error corrections.

[45catfan]

So, if I may, rattle off a list of names and let's see if anyone can link the commonality (in no particular order):  Marv Levy, Marty Schottnhiemer, Mike Shannahan, Don Shula, Bill Parcells, Mike Holmgren, Tom Coughlin, Pete Carroll, Any Reid and Bill Belichick. 

Any guesses?

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

So, if I may, rattle off a list of names and let's see if anyone can link the commonality (in no particular order):  Marv Levy, Marty Schottnhiemer, Mike Shannahan, Don Shula, Bill Parcells, Mike Holmgren, Tom Coughlin, Pete Carroll, Any Reid and Bill Belichick. 

Any guesses?

I know they're all retreads. Not sure if you were looking for something deeper.

[45catfan]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

I know they're all retreads. Not sure if you were looking for something deeper.

Eh, a little deeper is the most winning coaches in NFL history...yes retreads and several of them had their most success in the second stop.

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Eh, a little deeper is the most winning coaches in NFL history...yes retreads and several of them had their most success in the second stop.

Holmgren and Carroll didn't. Shanahan did but he always liked to say Denver was his first real head coaching job.

Schottenheimer, Parcells and Carroll each had more than two, if I recall correctly.