The case for a lineman at #7

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, ncfan said:

Wills is, thats why he is the #1 OT.  Wirfs has that mentality to.  In fact the top 4 guys all have that, want to destroy someone, mentality.  Unlike Dillard who was more Finesse 

Thats what makes Nelson of Indy so good and thats why he was drafted so high as a guard.  He wants to kill people.  I would like to model my oline after that

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, WOW!! said:

You want to bet that??  I got Okulad being top 3 in this draft.. Like most ppl are already calling him Jalen Ramsey/Patrick Peterson 

Simmons is going to completely dominate at Combine.. A 6'4 230 pound honeybadger/Urlacher? Yeah it won't be close after the combine. 

And Brown might be the one that is close to the top OT by the end of this...

But I see nobody comparing any OT in this draft to Munoz, Ogden, Pace HOFers. Like they are with the top defenders.. Please show me this??

Such a vague and stupid post

[ncfan]

12 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

You want to bet that??  I got Okulad being top 3 in this draft.. Like most ppl are already calling him Jalen Ramsey/Patrick Peterson 

Simmons is going to completely dominate at Combine.. A 6'4 230 pound honeybadger/Urlacher? Yeah it won't be close after the combine. 

And Brown might be the one that is close to the top OT by the end of this...

But I see nobody comparing any OT in this draft to Munoz, Ogden, Pace HOFers. Like they are with the top defenders.. Please show me this??

Okudah is good but Wills and Thomas Imo couod go higher.

Yes Simmons is a Freak and that will help him, which the same way Wirfs could be helped (again that dude is as big a Freak if not more of one at the OT spot). 

https://theathletic.com/1065937/2019/07/12/bruce-feldmans-freaks-list-2019-college-football-top-athletic-performances/

Guessing by your post on Simmons, that your a Clemson fan?

[WOW!!]

6 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Such a vague and stupid post

Grown folks talking go be quiet in a corner..

[WOW!!]

22 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Okudah is good but Wills and Thomas Imo couod go higher.

Yes Simmons is a Freak and that will help him, which the same way Wirfs could be helped (again that dude is as big a Freak if not more of one at the OT spot).  Guessing by your post on Simmons, that your a Clemson fan?

Nooooo!! Michigan fan... Simmons is just a freak who has played 4 position and has the size to play anywhere on the defense.. You don't see freaks like that ..

Again please let's bet on this Okulad thing.. He is getting generational talent shut down half the field type CB buzz.. In a passing offensive league.. And there is a big drop off in talent after him.. Like you said this is a strong OT class .. Alot of Option.. This isn't considered a strong DB draft and he is the best player at that position.. his value is going to be top 3 high by draft time.. 

Please bet that any OT in this draft will overtake his ranking.. I got $20 on that now. 

[ncfan]

14 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Nooooo!! Michigan fan... Simmons is just a freak who has played 4 position and has the size to play anywhere on the defense.. You don't see freaks like that ..

Again please let's bet on this Okulad thing.. He is getting generational talent shut down half the field type CB buzz.. In a passing offensive league.. And there is a big drop off in talent after him.. Like you said this is a strong OT class .. Alot of Option.. This isn't considered a strong DB draft and he is the best player at that position.. Is value is going to be top 3 high by draft time.. 

Please bet that any OT in this draft will overtake his ranking.. I got $20 on that now. 

Not a big better

Yes there is a big drop off from Okuda, but it is a solid CB class as well guys like Fulton.

 

The dropoff from the top 3-4 OTs is significant as well.  Top 10  your getting a Franchise starter with those guys, rd 2 your getting a project.

CB your getting a franchise level CB with Okudah at 7, but there is still solid starting caliber in rd 2.

Agreed this is becoming a passing league.  And while a Lockdown CB is big.  Its not a complete game changer.

Look at the top CBs in the league and l9ok how their teams have done.  Arizona? Jax?  

Now you have teams with a strong OL and DL, and you see more playoff calibre teams

 

I love Okuda and think he's a stud.  Wouldnt even think twice about drafting him if Wills, Thomas, Derrick Brown, or Wirfs were off the board.

[Madwolf]

My #1 is Brown, but if he's gone I want Becton.

[SmokinwithWilly]

11 minutes ago, Madwolf said:

My #1 is Brown, but if he's gone I want Becton.

I've watched some of the highlights from Bechton. I've never seen a DE tossed like a rag doll out of the tv frame before. The guy is a physical freak and could be considered the top tackle after the combine. Only thing that worries me is that much weight and how his knees/ankles will hold up. 

If Brown and Okudah are both gone, I might entertain a move down between 10-12 as long as we could still get a top tackle.

[WOW!!]

24 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Not a big better

Yes there is a big drop off from Okuda, but it is a solid CB class as well guys like Fulton.

 

The dropoff from the top 3-4 OTs is significant as well.  Top 10  your getting a Franchise starter with those guys, rd 2 your getting a project.

CB your getting a franchise level CB with Okudah at 7, but there is still solid starting caliber in rd 2.

Agreed this is becoming a passing league.  And while a Lockdown CB is big.  Its not a complete game changer.

Look at the top CBs in the league and l9ok how their teams have done.  Arizona? Jax?  

Now you have teams with a strong OL and DL, and you see more playoff calibre teams

 

I love Okuda and think he's a stud.  Wouldnt even think twice about drafting him if Wills, Thomas, Derrick Brown, or Wirfs were off the board.

Agree a strong OL and DL are most  important after Franchise QB...  And Shutdown CB is right after that.. But you need more then 1 OT to have a good OLine.. And our Disagreements is in talent level of the prospect.. You think these OT are elite .  I haven't seen ppl say that it compare them to Hofers.. Like they are doing  for Okulad and Simmons where they are talking generational types of talent. 

I think this is where we disagree..

[ncfan]

15 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Agree a strong OL and DL are most  important after Franchise QB...  And Shutdown CB is right after that.. But you need more then 1 OT to have a good OLine.. And our Disagreements is in talent level of the prospect.. You think these OT are elite .  I haven't seen ppl say that it compare them to Hofers.. Like they are doing  for Okulad and Simmons where they are talking generational types of talent. 

I think this is where we disagree..

Andrew Thomas was compared to HOF and top OTs in the league during last draft where he wasnt even eligible yet and even through the season.  But has fallen to #2-3 OT without any negative or changes to his play, just the guys in this same class have risen much like Okudah has this year at CB.

Again would be as if Okudah decided to return to school, looked and played the same next year then all of a sudden he is CB 2-3.  So does that mean the guys who jumped him arent good ir how does this work.

Simmons is good but all the hype with him is upsdie and scheme fit.

[LinvilleGorge]

I don't care about the OT vs. DT argument. We have definite needs for both. I'm sorry, I don't want to sit tight and hope that Greg Little both develops into a legit NFL LT and overcomes his concussion issues. There's just too many way for that to blow up in our face. Moton is also going into the last year of his contract. We honestly may have zero long-term OT answers on the roster currently. We definitely have no long-term DT answers on the roster currently, but I also think that starting DTs are easier to come by than starting OTs.

At the end of the day, give me one of these five guys in no particular order:

Andrew Thomas

Jedrick Wills

Tristan Thomas

Derrick Brown

Javon Kinlaw

Mekhi Becton is a huge wildcard in this draft for me. I'm curious to see him at the Combine. Maybe he puts his name in that mix as well or maybe he's a 2nd round option.

[LinvilleGorge]

20 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Andrew Thomas was compared to HOF and top OTs in the league during last draft where he wasnt even eligible yet and even through the season.  But has fallen to #2-3 OT without any negative or changes to his play, just the guys in this same class have risen much like Okudah has this year at CB.

Again would be as if Okudah decided to return to school, looked and played the same next year then all of a sudden he is CB 2-3.  So does that mean the guys who jumped him arent good ir how does this work.

Simmons is good but all the hype with him is upsdie and scheme fit.

I think Simmons is a fantastic prospect, but for his sake and ours I hope he goes elsewhere. This franchise is both blessed and cursed at MLB. We land elite MLB after elite MLB and none of them make it to 30. If we draft Simmons, he'll become and elite MLB and then be forced into early retirement or virtual NFL obscurity by injuries like everyone else before him.

[ncfan]

33 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't care about the OT vs. DT argument. We have definite needs for both. I'm sorry, I don't want to sit tight and hope that Greg Little both develops into a legit NFL LT and overcomes his concussion issues. There's just too many way for that to blow up in our face. Moton is also going into the last year of his contract. We honestly may have zero long-term OT answers on the roster currently. We definitely have no long-term DT answers on the roster currently, but I also think that starting DTs are easier to come by than starting OTs.

At the end of the day, give me one of these five guys in no particular order:

Andrew Thomas

Jedrick Wills

Tristan Thomas

Derrick Brown

Javon Kinlaw

Mekhi Becton is a huge wildcard in this draft for me. I'm curious to see him at the Combine. Maybe he puts his name in that mix as well or maybe he's a 2nd round option.

He wont make it to our 2nd pick.  Mow if we trade down he'd be a option.

Dont see him as a Lt either but still a elite RT

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, ncfan said:

He wont make it to our 2nd pick.  Mow if we trade down he'd be a option.

Dont see him as a Lt either but still a elite RT

Every single year there are some guys who go surprisingly high and there are some guys who slip surprisingly far down the board. Yet despite this, every year there are definitive statements made about where certain guys will go in the draft. If years of draft watching has taught me anything, outside of the top few picks it's usually a crapshoot.