DT vs. OT

[Matt62881]

6 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Hey if you think he's a unique prospect, I can respect looking at it that way. I'm not really opposed to doing FA LT myself as long as we're reasonably sure it's the best solution for the coming season.  I guess in that sense it comes down to do people feel that any of the FA LT's are likely to be a better option than whatever LT we could get with 7, be that Thomas or whoever. If yes, go for it, if no, we better go LT in the draft because the way I see it the single biggest priority for the coming season is to give Cam every chance to show he can be our guy for the forseeable future so that our rebuild doesn't start with starting over at QB, which suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu *pauses for breathe*uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks.

I agree 100% and all this being pre combine is really hard but I was thinking an older vet LT on a short deal. Its simply easier to look at a DT and get a grasp on his game then a LT imo. Brown looks to be a guy that can take double teams, disrupt run schemes, and get into the back field alot. Hoping for a A. Donald, Hloti Ngata or someone in that direction, if so we really cant pass.

[MHS831]

I clearly see both sides--and I don't think one side is right and the other wrong. 

Some points:

1. Little was developmental when we drafted him.  His rap sheet said as much.  If anyone needed a preseason to work out kinks so he could start and learn on the fly, it was Little.  So what we saw was what we should have seen, nothing less, nothing more.

2.  As of now, DT is by far this team's biggest need.  We should lose Poe, Butler, and Love--all under-performed.  So do you take a LT again and leave the gap up the middle of the defense?  A lot will be decided before the draft, but Brown is very versatile--he saves a roster spot because you can shift him from 3-4 sets to 4-3 sets.

3.  If you draft LT Thomas, you must do so KNOWING that he is an upgrade and Little would be a better G.    Personally, if all the stars align, I see this move. But to write Little off and bury his development behind another rookie, Nope.

4.  Huddler made a point about Hurney.  No way he drafts a T after trading up for Little.  (When will marty learn that his trade ups rarely work out). I could argue that he did take Cam, but if I recall, Marty wanted to stick with Clausen and take Marcel Darius--Rivera wanted Cam.

[1of10Charnatives]

1 minute ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Again, I seriously S.E.R.I.O.U.S.L.Y doubt Hurney has even the fraction of power/say as he has in years past. This is Matt Rhules team. If he wants a certain player or position drafted you really think Tepper would let Hurney sabotage that?

Look I'm hoping you're right, but Tepper kept Hurney as GM and said publicly that he's one of the best evaluators of talent he's ever seen. If Hurney isn't gonna be in charge of personnel, what's he gonna do, make sammiches?

[MHS831]

2 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Look I'm hoping you're right, but Tepper kept Hurney as GM and said publicly that he's one of the best evaluators of talent he's ever seen. If Hurney isn't gonna be in charge of personnel, what's he gonna do, make sammiches?

I am intrigued.  What kind of sammiches?

[Mr Mojo Risin]

3 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Look I'm hoping you're right, but Tepper kept Hurney as GM and said publicly that he's one of the best evaluators of talent he's ever seen. If Hurney isn't gonna be in charge of personnel, what's he gonna do, make sammiches?

That's precisely what hes going to do. He is more of a guide/assistant to Tepper and Rhule. Hes not the "GM" he used to be. We hired a cap/fa guy for a specific reason. Rhule has SIGNIFICANT control of the roster and I guarantee Rhule not Hurney will have the final say on who we bring in and who we draft. Just wouldn't make sense any other way

[1of10Charnatives]

3 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I feel like you were trying to say something here.... 

Yes.

I was saying I like cheetos.

And Olivia Munn.

And eating cheetos in the bushes outside Olivia Munn's house.

*munches*

whunt sthum?

*offers him the bag*

[1of10Charnatives]

2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I am intrigued.  What kind of sammiches?

I think that would be up to the as yet to be hired Assistant GM, but I know a guy who know's a guy who works in the Panthers executive cafeteria, and HE says that regardless of who it is, Tepper wants the sammiches to have ketchup.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

7 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I clearly see both sides--and I don't think one side is right and the other wrong. 

Some points:

1. Little was developmental when we drafted him.  His rap sheet said as much.  If anyone needed a preseason to work out kinks so he could start and learn on the fly, it was Little.  So what we saw was what we should have seen, nothing less, nothing more.

2.  As of now, DT is by far this team's biggest need.  We should lose Poe, Butler, and Love--all under-performed.  So do you take a LT again and leave the gap up the middle of the defense?  A lot will be decided before the draft, but Brown is very versatile--he saves a roster spot because you can shift him from 3-4 sets to 4-3 sets.

3.  If you draft LT Thomas, you must do so KNOWING that he is an upgrade and Little would be a better G.    Personally, if all the stars align, I see this move. But to write Little off and bury his development behind another rookie, Nope.

4.  Huddler made a point about Hurney.  No way he drafts a T after trading up for Little.  (When will marty learn that his trade ups rarely work out). I could argue that he did take Cam, but if I recall, Marty wanted to stick with Clausen and take Marcel Darius--Rivera wanted Cam.

You really think Marty and Rhule are going to have the same Dynamic as Rivera and Hurney? You dont think Rhule will have final say on who we bring in to build the team in HIS image? Wasn't that the whole point of getting a program builder? Why would we let a GM that should have been fired disrupt what Rhule wants to build? How does that make sense?

[MHS831]

36 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Yeah, of the things @The Huddler has said on this topic, there are some I disagree with but this one is uncomfortably difficult to dispute. I can talk about what I think we should do, or would do if I were in charge, but I have a bad sinking feeling he's completely right about this, which imo sucks.

You know what they say about blind squirrels....

[MHS831]

23 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

You really think Marty and Rhule are going to have the same Dynamic as Rivera and Hurney? You dont think Rhule will have final say on who we bring in to build the team in HIS image? Wasn't that the whole point of getting a program builder? Why would we let a GM that should have been fired disrupt what Rhule wants to build? How does that make sense?

Has Marty's role been clearly defined?  We can assume, but Marty worked with Fox and RR and I could not see a difference- other than the fact that when Fox was a lame duck, Marty picked without his input---that draft featured Lafell, Clausen, A. Edwards, Eric Norwood.  Yikes.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Just now, MHS831 said:

Has Marty's role been clearly defined?  We can assume, but Marty worked with Fox and RR and I could not see a difference- other than the fact that when Fox was a lame duck, Marty picked without his input---that draft featured Lafell, Clausen, A. Edwards, Eric Norwood.  Yikes.

Please never bring up that draft again I think I've gone blind

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Please never bring up that draft again I think I've gone blind

Those were indeed dark days in Pantherland---that and the Pie Chart presser, where the whole world got to see Jerry Richardson represent a paranoid owner's perspective, hit on Morgan Fogherty, and change the direction of Darrin Gantt's career.  I seriously believe that presser is why Andrew Luck stayed in school.   Marty getting released from his leash to re-sign the core players from a 2-14 team with nearly all of the $70m cap room he had---then trying to trade up with the Rams (he offered next year's first rounder---the CAM pick---to the Rams to move up to #33 to grab Clausen; the Rams did not accept it.  Marty thought Clausen was going to Denver in the first round, but they selected The Golden Calf of Bristol instead. He wanted to move up to get ahead of 2 teams that needed a QB--Minnesota and Kansas City---surprised that one of them did not take Clausen in the first round.  But the trade fell through, and Marty tried to make other deals, but people wanted that first rounder and a third--too rich, even for Marty---but he nearly pulled the trigger a few times.  KC and Minnesota passed on Clausen in the second round--and that should have told Marty that they knew something he did not---but Marty took Clausen and then bragged that he did not have to trade away any picks to get a QB with a first round grade.  How do I know this?  I talked to people from Norwood who know Brandon Beane.  He was a high school QB at South Stanly High School, where I used to teach back in the day-.  He told them this story and they shared it with me.  Second hand, but I trust it.

 

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

I think that would be up to the as yet to be hired Assistant GM, but I know a guy who know's a guy who works in the Panthers executive cafeteria, and HE says that regardless of who it is, Tepper wants the sammiches to have ketchup.

Do his Philly Cheesesteaks get ketchup?

[1of10Charnatives]

1 minute ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Do his Philly Cheesesteaks get ketchup?

As far as you know.