REPORT: Lions GM Willing to Trade Out of #3 Overall Pick

[Happy Panther]

Here are the draft moves under the rest of Hurney's drafts. This includes stuff like when MIN timed out on the 7th pick. Feel free to make whatever conclusions you like on his draft history.

2012 - No. 103: San Francisco → Carolina (D). San Francisco traded this selection to Carolina for their sixth round selection (180th) and a third round selection in 2013 (74th).[source 31]

2011 - None

2010 - #89: New England → Carolina (D). New England traded this selection to Carolina for a 2011 second-round selection.[source 31]

 #112: Carolina → New York Jets (D). Carolina traded this selection to the New York Jets for a fourth-round selection it acquired from Arizona (124th overall; Carolina selected Eric Norwood) and a sixth-round selection (198th overall; Carolina selected David Gettis).[source 37]

 #175: Oakland → Carolina (PD). Oakland traded this selection and a 2009 seventh-round selection (216th overall; Carolina selected Captain Munnerlyn) to Carolina for a 2009 sixth-round selection (202nd overall; Oakland selected Brandon Myers).[source 69]

2009 -  #175: Oakland → Carolina (PD). Oakland traded this selection and a 2009 seventh-round selection (216th overall; Carolina selected Captain Munnerlyn) to Carolina for a 2009 sixth-round selection (202nd overall; Oakland selected Brandon Myers).[source 69]

2008 -  #19: Philadelphia → Carolina (D). Philadelphia traded its first-round selection to Carolina for Carolina's second- and fourth-round selections in 2008 (No. 43 and 109), and Carolina's first-round pick in 2009.

 #67: New York Jets → Carolina (PD). The New York Jets traded their third-round and fifth-round selections to Carolina for Kris Jenkins[source 11]

2007 - The New York Jets traded their first-round selection, the first of their second-round selections, and their fifth-round selection (25th, 59th, and 164th overall, used to select Jon Beason, Ryan Kalil, and Tim Shaw, respectively), to Carolina for this pick and Carolina's sixth-round selection (191st). The Jets later packaged pick 191 with their other second-round selection (63rd) and their third-round pick (89th) which were sent to Green Bay in exchange for Green Bay's second-round selection (47th) with which the Jets would select David Harris.Crouse, Karen (April 29, 2007). "Jets Trade Up to Draft Revis With 14th Pick". New York Times. Archived from the original on October 28, 2011. Retrieved October 28, 2011.

2006 - Received • 2006 third round pick (#88-James Anderson) from Bears on 2006-04-24 as compensation for restricted free agent Ricky Manning Jr.

2005 -  No 45: Carolina → Seattle. Carolina traded its second-round selection (45th) to Seattle in exchange for Seattle's second- and two fourth-round selections (54th, 121st and 126th)

No. 89: Green Bay → Carolina. Green Bay traded its third-round selection (89th) to Carolina in exchange for two fourth-round selections (115th and 126th)

2004 - 

Traded • 2004 first round pick (#31-Rashaun Woods) • 2004 fourth round pick (#127-Richard Seigler) to 49ers for • 2004 first round pick (#28-Chris Gamble) on 2004-04-24

2003 -  Minnesota held the 7th pick, but the Vikings did not make their selection in the allotted time. By rule, they could make a selection at any time afterwards, however Jacksonville and Carolina were able to make their own picks before Minnesota could make its own.[source 1]

New England (D). New England acquired this selection (45) from Carolina for New England's second-rounder (#50) and fourth-round selection(#120).[source 2]

 #82: Denver → Carolina (D). Carolina acquired this pick from Denver (82) for Carolina's two fourth-rounders (#108) and (#120 acquired from New England) and Carolina's seventh-round selection(#227).[source 2]

119: Miami → Carolina (PD). Miami traded this pick along with DE Al Wallace to Carolina for DE Jay Williams.[source 17]

 #181: Carolina → Miami (D). Carolina traded this pick to Miami for two seventh-round choices (#226 and #247).[source 3]

2002 - Traded • 2002 third round pick (#67-Matt Schobel) to Bengals for • 2002 third round pick (#73-Will Witherspoon) • 2002 fifth round pick (#145-Kyle Johnson) on 2002-04-20

Traded • 2002 third round pick (#67-Matt Schobel) to Bengals for • 2002 third round pick (#73-Will Witherspoon) • 2002 fifth round pick (#145-Kyle Johnson) on 2002-04-20

[Happy Panther]

2 minutes ago, Toomers said:

And it got brought up that Hurney has traded down early in the draft only once as opposed to trading up many times. You seemed to take issue with the FACTS and wanted to cherrypick it down to one? Why? You say you want trade down so what was your point in all this? It went from got to be exact to you saying you were sure there was more there but weren’t going to take time to look at it. Sort of strange since we had to get our facts straight before any discussion. One which you seem hesitant to have. 

He has only traded up once in the first round. I posted the rest of Hurney's draft picks above and he has indeed traded down may times.

[Toomers]

3 minutes ago, Happy Panther said:

He has only traded up once in the first round. I posted the rest of Hurney's draft picks above and he has indeed traded down may times.

  Which ones are relevant? I’m seeing more trade ups(Gamble) but where are all the trade down in the first two rounds. 
 

Wouldn’t it have been easier to just post those instead of everything. And did you seriously use the time clock running out as a trade up? 

[Happy Panther]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

  Which ones are relevant? I’m seeing more trade ups(Gamble) but where are all the trade down in the first two rounds. 
 

Wouldn’t it have been easier to just post those instead of everything. And did you seriously use the time clock running out as a trade up? 

Whatever argument you want to win you can have it. Make your own conclusions.

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, Happy Panther said:

Whatever argument you want to win you can have it. Make your own conclusions.

Just asked a question? And never got an answer. 

[Happy Panther]

13 hours ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Everyone keeps mentioning trading down to acquire more picks. Ask yourselves, when has Marty Hurney ever done that? Even outside of the First Round? Maybe one time? 

 

1 hour ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Sure, you "corrected" me if you want to call it that go for it.

Don't take it personally. I am not defending Hurney's draft talent. Saying he has only traded down one time seemed dubious. So I posted three. Later I posted all of his draft transactions. He has traded down plenty.

[Happy Panther]

I added the last two years as well as what player we got in Bold.

 

2019  -  Seattle → Carolina (D). Seattle traded this second-round selection (37th) to Carolina in exchange for Carolina's second- and third-round selections (47th and 77th). Greg Little

Carolina traded a sixth-round selection (187th) to Denver in exchange for Denver's sixth- and seventh-round selections (212nd and 237th).[Trade 1] - Dennis Daley & Terry Godwin

2018 -  No. 85: Buffalo → Carolina (PD). Buffalo traded a third-round selection (85th) as well as a 2018 seventh-round selection (previously acquired from the LA Chargers) to Carolina in exchange for wide receiver Kelvin Benjamin.[TRADE 16] Rashaan Gulden & Andre Smith

No. 88: Carolina → Green Bay (D). Carolina traded a third-round selection (88th) to Green Bay in exchange for Green Bay's fourth- and fifth-round selections (101st and 147th).[TRADE 3] Ian Thomas 

No. 136: LA Rams → Carolina (D). The Rams traded their fourth-round selection (136th) to Carolina in exchange for Carolina's fifth- and sixth-round selections (147th and 197th).[TRADE 3] Marquis Haynes

 

2012 - No. 103: San Francisco → Carolina (D). San Francisco traded this selection to Carolina for their sixth round selection (180th) and a third round selection in 2013 (74th).[source 31] Frank Alexander

2011 - None

2010 - #89: New England → Carolina (D). New England traded this selection to Carolina for a 2011 second-round selection.[source 31] Armanti Edwards

 #112: Carolina → New York Jets (D). Carolina traded this selection to the New York Jets for a fourth-round selection it acquired from Arizona (124th overall; Carolina selected Eric Norwood) and a sixth-round selection (198th overall; Carolina selected David Gettis).[source 37] Eric Norwood & David Gettis

 #175: Oakland → Carolina (PD). Oakland traded this selection and a 2009 seventh-round selection (216th overall; Carolina selected Captain Munnerlyn) to Carolina for a 2009 sixth-round selection (202nd overall; Oakland selected Brandon Myers).[source 69] Captain Munnerlyn

2009 -  #175: Oakland → Carolina (PD). Oakland traded this selection and a 2009 seventh-round selection (216th overall; Carolina selected Captain Munnerlyn) to Carolina for a 2009 sixth-round selection (202nd overall; Oakland selected Brandon Myers).[source 69]

2008 -  #19: Philadelphia → Carolina (D). Philadelphia traded its first-round selection to Carolina for Carolina's second- and fourth-round selections in 2008 (No. 43 and 109), and Carolina's first-round pick in 2009. Everett Brown and Mike Goodson

 #67: New York Jets → Carolina (PD). The New York Jets traded their third-round and fifth-round selections to Carolina for Kris Jenkins[source 11] Charles Godfrey & Gary Barnidge

2007 - The New York Jets traded their first-round selection, the first of their second-round selections, and their fifth-round selection (25th, 59th, and 164th overall, used to select Jon Beason, Ryan Kalil, and Tim Shaw, respectively), to Carolina for this pick and Carolina's sixth-round selection (191st). The Jets later packaged pick 191 with their other second-round selection (63rd) and their third-round pick (89th) which were sent to Green Bay in exchange for Green Bay's second-round selection (47th) with which the Jets would select David Harris.Crouse, Karen (April 29, 2007). "Jets Trade Up to Draft Revis With 14th Pick". New York Times. Archived from the original on October 28, 2011. Retrieved October 28, 2011. Jon Beason, Ryan Kalil, and Tim Shaw.

2006 - Received • 2006 third round pick (#88-James Anderson) from Bears on 2006-04-24 as compensation for restricted free agent Ricky Manning Jr. 

2005 -  No 45: Carolina → Seattle. Carolina traded its second-round selection (45th) to Seattle in exchange for Seattle's second- and two fourth-round selections (54th, 121st and 126th) Eric Shelton and Stefan LeFors

No. 89: Green Bay → Carolina. Green Bay traded its third-round selection (89th) to Carolina in exchange for two fourth-round selections (115th and 126th) Atiyyah Ellison 

2004 - Traded • 2004 first round pick (#31-Rashaun Woods) • 2004 fourth round pick (#127-Richard Seigler) to 49ers for • 2004 first round pick (#28-Chris Gamble) on 2004-04-24 Chris Gamble 

2003 -  Minnesota held the 7th pick, but the Vikings did not make their selection in the allotted time. By rule, they could make a selection at any time afterwards, however Jacksonville and Carolina were able to make their own picks before Minnesota could make its own.[source 1]

New England (D). New England acquired this selection (45) from Carolina for New England's second-rounder (#50) and fourth-round selection(#120).[source 2] Bruce Nelson

 #82: Denver → Carolina (D). Carolina acquired this pick from Denver (82) for Carolina's two fourth-rounders (#108) and (#120 acquired from New England) and Carolina's seventh-round selection(#227).[source 2] Ricky Manning 

119: Miami → Carolina (PD). Miami traded this pick along with DE Al Wallace to Carolina for DE Jay Williams.[source 17] Colin Branch 

 #181: Carolina → Miami (D). Carolina traded this pick to Miami for two seventh-round choices (#226 and #247).[source 3] Walter Young and Casey Moore

2002 - Traded • 2002 third round pick (#67-Matt Schobel) to Bengals for • 2002 third round pick (#73-Will Witherspoon) • 2002 fifth round pick (#145-Kyle Johnson) on 2002-04-20 Will Witherspoon  & Kyle Johnson

[Carl Spackler]

4 hours ago, Happy Panther said:

2009 -  #175: Oakland → Carolina (PD). Oakland traded this selection and a 2009 seventh-round selection (216th overall; Carolina selected Captain Munnerlyn) to Carolina for a 2009 sixth-round selection (202nd overall; Oakland selected Brandon Myers).[source 69]

nice

[Carl Spackler]

My fear is not so much that we'd trade up to 3. It's that we'd trade up to 3 to get a player we could get at 7.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Carl Spackler said:

My fear is not so much that we'd trade up to 3. It's that we'd trade up to 3 to get a player we could get at 7.

Like last year with Little?

(or the attempt to trade up for Clausen in 2010)

[LinvilleGorge]

If they're not taking Tua and teams are clamoring to move ahead of the Dolphins to get him then they'd be crazy not to at least listen to the offers. Even if they think Okudah is a shutdown CB they could call Miami and see if they'd be willing to jump from #5 to #3 to get Tua and they could still have Okudah at #5. Gettleman is taking a hog mollie.

[Happy Panther]

16 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

My fear is not so much that we'd trade up to 3. It's that we'd trade up to 3 to get a player we could get at 7.

Yeah we are getting something we need at 7 and likely elite talent. Unless Tepper and Hurney have to get Tua then just chill.

[Carl Spackler]

17 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Like last year with Little?

(or the attempt to trade up for Clausen in 2010)

precisely.

[Carl Spackler]

People should watch the Bears' Trubisky trade and take notes on what not to do.