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7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The reality is that those are financial decisions. If it's wrong, they've wasted a bunch of time, money, and other resources. In this situation, they're probably getting enough financial backing to make it worth their while regardless.

Easily getting the backing and winning the lottery if they are right

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Basically, I interpret my results as I likely had it and now my antibodies are fading to the point that I'm likely now able to be reinfected or that I'll soon be to that point. In all likelihood, all the lockdown did for me personally was cost me my job and kept me isolating long enough to have my resistance to the virus dissipate. Fuging awesome.

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1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Basically, I interpret my results as I likely had it and now my antibodies are fading to the point that I'm likely now able to be reinfected or that I'll soon be to that point. In all likelihood, all the lockdown did for me personally was cost me my job and kept me isolating long enough to have my resistance to the virus dissipate. Fuging awesome.

fading antibodies?

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10 minutes ago, stirs said:

fading antibodies?

Yeah, for lots of viruses infection doesn't necessarily equal immunity. You have antibodies that provide resistance for a period of time, but they don't last forever.

Here's the explanation of my test results per my test results:

BORDERLINE. Borderline results show that the test detected some IgM antibodies. The level of antibodies found are below the level used to indicate positive results. These results may indicate a very early infection or cross reactivity.

So, basically I either had it long enough ago for my antibodies to drop below the threshold (I think I had it in mid-late January) or it's a false positive. My wife took the test the same day but her results haven't come in yet. Curious to see hers. If hers are borderline as well, I'll follow up to try to get more details.

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6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, for lots of viruses infection doesn't necessarily equal immunity. You have antibodies that provide resistance for a period of time, but they don't last forever.

Here's the explanation of my test results per my test results:

BORDERLINE. Borderline results show that the test detected some IgM antibodies. The level of antibodies found are below the level used to indicate positive results. These results may indicate a very early infection or cross reactivity.

So, basically I either had it long enough ago for my antibodies to drop below the threshold (I think I had it in mid-late January) or it's a false positive. My wife took the test the same day but her results haven't come in yet. Curious to see hers. If hers are borderline as well, I'll follow up to try to get more details.

I thought I read that a result like that meant it could have been a former, similar SARS type virus or the real thing.  It meant you had something, but not necessarily Covid 19.  Could be wrong as there are so many "ifs" out there now cause it is too early for anything to be definitive

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11 minutes ago, stirs said:

I thought I read that a result like that meant it could have been a former, similar SARS type virus or the real thing.  It meant you had something, but not necessarily Covid 19.  Could be wrong as there are so many "ifs" out there now cause it is too early for anything to be definitive

Yeah, there's a chance it could be due to similar antibodies from some other flu/cold bug. That's why I'm curious to see how my wife's results come back. If hers come back definitive one way or the other then I'll assume I'm in the same both since we had the same bug back in mid-late January. If hers come back borderline as well then I'll follow up to see exactly what the results were. Were we just shy of the threshold and basically deemed not a positive result by technicality or were we off by a mile?

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Read back a few pages and totally agree with the sentiments regarding stay at home.  When and why did we move the goalposts from flatten the curve to minimize death at all costs?  Is it because we are in an election year? I hate to be cynical but I feel like it's politician CYA time and they are playing a game that has a very high costs. 

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56 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, there's a chance it could be due to similar antibodies from some other flu/cold bug. That's why I'm curious to see how my wife's results come back. If hers come back definitive one way or the other then I'll assume I'm in the same both since we had the same bug back in mid-late January. If hers come back borderline as well then I'll follow up to see exactly what the results were. Were we just shy of the threshold and basically deemed not a positive result by technicality or were we off by a mile?

I plan on getting this test this week.  I came back from Florida mid-February and developed a nasty cough that lasted for about 3 weeks but no other symptoms.  Did you just pay out of pocket at a private lab?

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1 minute ago, BIGH2001 said:

I plan on getting this test this week.  I came back from Florida mid-February and developed a nasty cough that lasted for about 3 weeks but no other symptoms.  Did you just pay out of pocket at a private lab?

I paid out of pocket at National Jewish Hospital down in Denver. They developed their own test. They're one of the top respiratory hospitals in the nation.

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26 minutes ago, BIGH2001 said:

I plan on getting this test this week.  I came back from Florida mid-February and developed a nasty cough that lasted for about 3 weeks but no other symptoms.  Did you just pay out of pocket at a private lab?

Same, I thought I had bronchitis for a couple of weeks.

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If I had this poo, I was probably a super spreader. I traveled a poo ton in Q1 and I had COVID-like symptoms during much of the travel. All over the Seattle area in mid-January (where I think I picked it up), Spokane, all over Arizona (Phoenix area, Sedona, Flagstaff, Prescott), all over Colorado, North Carolina, Florida, Dallas area, Costa Rica. I didn't suspect COVID until well after I was fully recovered. While I had symptoms, the protocols were that you weren't suspected of having COVID unless you had traveled to an area with confirmed outbreak. At the time, when I had traveled to Seattle that was prior to their confirmed outbreak.

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    • FlowForce Max is a supplement designed to enhance men's health, with a particular focus on prostate health. It boasts a formulation of natural ingredients purportedly clinically proven to be effective. Despite its recent introduction to the market, it has already garnered attention from health experts.   The creators of FlowForce Max assert that it can revitalize the prostate and enhance its functionality. In this review, we'll closely examine FlowForce Max to evaluate its efficacy and whether it lives up to its claims.   This article will delve into the benefits, side effects, and key ingredients of FlowForce Max. Additionally, we'll provide insights from both experts and users to offer a comprehensive overview of the product. ░▒█►✅𝐎𝐟𝐟𝐢𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐖𝐞𝐛𝐬𝐢𝐭𝐞 💲 𝐁𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐏𝐫𝐢𝐜e   FlowForce Max: My Personal Experience Having incorporated FlowForce Max into my routine for an extended period, I can confidently attest to its significant improvement in my prostate health and overall well-being. Prior to using FlowForce Max, frequent nocturnal bathroom visits and discomfort were persistent concerns. However, within a few weeks of consistent usage, I noticed a substantial enhancement in urinary flow and a reduction in nighttime urination, leading to more restful sleep.   What particularly impresses me about FlowForce Max is the thoughtful selection of its ingredients. Incorporating saw palmetto and Graminex Flower Pollen Extract, both renowned for their prostate health benefits, appears to have played a pivotal role in the positive changes I've experienced. Furthermore, the supplement's emphasis on enhancing overall male vitality with ingredients like Muira Puama Extract aligns seamlessly with my goal of maintaining a dynamic and energetic lifestyle as I age.   The natural formulation not only instills a sense of safety, knowing I'm not subjecting my body to harsh chemicals, but also aligns with my preference for holistic health approaches. I have not encountered any side effects, further bolstering my positive assessment of the product.   Lastly, the convenience of purchasing FlowForce Max through the official website, ensuring authenticity and enabling me to avail of promotional offers, enhances my overall satisfaction with the product. Based on my firsthand experience and the evident benefits, I confidently rate FlowForce Max a solid five stars and recommend it to other men seeking natural support for prostate health and overall vitality.   What is FlowForce Max and What Does It Claim to Do?   FlowForce Max positions itself as a groundbreaking dietary supplement tailored to the modern man. It pledges a trio of benefits crucial for sustaining male health and vigor. Primarily, it endeavors to uphold prostate health, a common concern among aging men.   Secondly, it tackles urinary issues such as frequency, urgency, and incomplete emptying—common problems that can disrupt daily life. Lastly, it aspires to enhance male vitality, ensuring that men not only live longer but also relish a quality life brimming with energy and vigor.   But how does FlowForce Max purportedly deliver on these promises? The secret lies in its unique blend of natural ingredients, each chosen for their proven effects on prostate health and male vitality. From saw palmetto to zinc, every component serves a purpose, underpinned by traditional use and contemporary scientific research.   ░▒█►✅𝐎𝐟𝐟𝐢𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐖𝐞𝐛𝐬𝐢𝐭𝐞 💲 𝐁𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐏𝐫𝐢𝐜e     Is FlowForce Max Scientifically Backed? This is where FlowForce Max sets itself apart. In the realm of health supplements, it's not only about the "what" but also the "how." FlowForce Max embraces this scrutiny. The product is fortified by clinical studies and scientific research that substantiate the efficacy of its key ingredients.   For instance, saw palmetto, one of its primary ingredients, has undergone extensive study for its role in improving prostate health and mitigating urinary problems. Zinc, another critical constituent, is recognized for its contributions to immune function and hormone regulation. The product's assertions are not mere assertions but are rooted in scientific evidence that lends credence and reliability to FlowForce Max. Who Can Benefit from Using FlowForce Max? FlowForce Max is not a universal solution but a targeted remedy crafted for men grappling with the challenges of aging. Specifically, it's a boon for men contending with age-related prostate issues, those plagued by frequent nocturnal bathroom visits, and individuals aspiring to regain their youthful vitality. Men in their middle years and beyond will find in FlowForce Max a companion attuned to and addressing their unique health needs. It's about furnishing a solution that empowers men to age gracefully, free from the typical detriments associated with it.   What Are the Ingredients in FlowForce Max? Delving deeper into the heart of FlowForce Max, let's explore the natural ingredients that set it apart. Each component is meticulously selected for its potential benefits, contributing to the supplement's efficacy. Graminex Flower Pollen Extract: Renowned for its anti-inflammatory properties, Graminex Flower Pollen Extract excels in improving urinary functions and assuaging prostate discomfort.   Fisetin & Luteolin: These flavonoids boast potent antioxidant properties, promoting cellular health and potentially slowing age-related functional decline.   Monolaurin: Derived from coconut, monolaurin exhibits antimicrobial properties, fortifying the immune system against various infections that could jeopardize prostate health.   Oregano Leaf Extract: With natural antioxidant and antimicrobial attributes, oregano leaf extract bolsters the immune system and aids in managing bacterial overgrowth, thereby safeguarding the prostate.   Grape Seed Extract: Known for its cardiovascular benefits, grape seed extract enhances blood flow, beneficial for overall health and particularly supportive of prostate functions.   Saw Palmetto Fruit Extract Powder: A staple in prostate health supplements, saw palmetto addresses symptoms of Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia (BPH) such as urinary problems.   ViNitrox: This unique blend of apple and grape polyphenols amplifies nitric oxide levels, augmenting blood flow and physical performance, emblematic of the formula's intent to bolster vitality and energy.   Muira Puama Extract: Traditionally acclaimed as an aphrodisiac, Muira Puama supports not only sexual function but also cognitive and physical health, reinforcing FlowForce Max's vitality aspect.   Tricalcium Phosphate: An essential mineral for bone health, tricalcium phosphate underscores the comprehensive approach of FlowForce Max, targeting overall well-being.   Peppermint Leaf Extract Powder: Beyond its refreshing taste, peppermint leaf extract aids digestion and provides relief from digestive issues, promoting overall comfort and health   Sucralose: A calorie-free sweetener that renders FlowForce Max chewables palatable without adding sugar, catering to a broad range of dietary preferences.   Magnesium Stearate Powder: Employed in supplement manufacturing as a flow agent, magnesium stearate ensures consistent dosage and quality in each chewable.   Silk Protein Powder: Included for its potential benefits in supporting tissue health and repair, silk protein powder aids the body's recovery processes.   Perilla Leaf Extract: Abundant in flavonoids, perilla leaf extract fosters a healthy inflammatory response, augmenting FlowForce Max's efficacy in managing prostate health.   FlowForce Max's amalgamation of meticulously chosen plants and minerals, each imparting unique benefits, embodies a holistic approach to supporting prostate health. The synergy among these ingredients is engineered to provide a comprehensive solution, enhancing urinary functions, boosting vitality, and supporting overall male health.   ░▒█►✅𝐎𝐟𝐟𝐢𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐖𝐞𝐛𝐬𝐢𝐭𝐞 💲 𝐁𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐏𝐫𝐢𝐜e   Are There Any Side Effects Associated with FlowForce Max? While FlowForce Max prides itself on its natural ingredients, it's crucial to acknowledge that even the most natural supplements can entail side effects. However, side effects linked to FlowForce Max are typically mild and uncommonly experienced. They may include stomach discomfort, nausea, or allergic reactions in individuals with sensitivities. As always, consulting with a healthcare provider before commencing any new supplement regimen, especially for those with pre-existing health conditions or taking other medications, is paramount.   Is FlowForce Max a Scam? In an era dominated by internet commerce, skepticism is prudent, especially towards new products, particularly in the health supplement domain. FlowForce Max has not evaded such scrutiny. However, the consensus from users and various reviews suggests it is not a scam. Many users have reported favorable outcomes, noting enhancements in urinary health, vitality, and overall well-being.   ░▒█►✅𝐎𝐟𝐟𝐢𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐖𝐞𝐛𝐬𝐢𝐭𝐞 💲 𝐁𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐏𝐫𝐢𝐜e   Is FlowForce Max Safe for People with Other Health Conditions? For individuals grappling with existing health conditions like heart disease, the safety of consuming any supplement, including FlowForce Max, hinges on its ingredients and potential interactions with one's health status and medications. FlowForce Max comprises a blend of natural ingredients, each selected for its potential benefits in supporting prostate health and overall vitality. Nevertheless, certain components, such as grape seed extract, which improves blood flow, may implicate individuals with heart conditions, particularly those on blood thinners or with blood pressure concerns.   It is imperative for anyone with underlying health issues, especially chronic conditions like heart disease, diabetes, or high blood pressure, to consult with a healthcare provider before initiating any new supplement regimen. This ensures the supplement does not interfere with ongoing treatments or exacerbate health issues.   Does FlowForce Max Really Work? Centering on specific concerns like Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia (BPH), the efficacy of FlowForce Max can be attributed to its meticulously chosen ingredients, like saw palmetto extract, extensively studied and acknowledged for its efficacy in managing BPH symptoms. Users and clinical studies often report improvements in urinary flow, reduction in nighttime urination, and overall enhancement in quality of life.   While individual results may vary, collective evidence from ingredient studies suggests that FlowForce Max harbors the potential to offer relief and support to those grappling with BPH and related urinary issues. The crux of its efficacy lies in its holistic approach, targeting diverse facets of prostate health through a blend of natural ingredients.   ░▒█►✅𝐎𝐟𝐟𝐢𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐖𝐞𝐛𝐬𝐢𝐭𝐞 💲 𝐁𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐏𝐫𝐢𝐜e   How Long Does It Take for FlowForce Max to Work? The timeline for discerning noticeable benefits from FlowForce Max can fluctuate from person to person, influenced by factors like individual health status, symptom severity, and lifestyle choices. Generally, some users may witness improvements in symptoms like urinary frequency and flow within a few weeks of consistent usage, while others may require a more extended period to experience significant changes.   It's crucial to maintain realistic expectations and comprehend that supplements like FlowForce Max deliver optimal results when accompanied by a healthy lifestyle encompassing a balanced diet, regular exercise, and adequate hydration. Consistency in adhering to the recommended dosage is pivotal in achieving optimal outcomes.   How Long Does It Take for FlowForce Max to Work? The timeline for discerning noticeable benefits from FlowForce Max can fluctuate from person to person, influenced by factors like individual health status, symptom severity, and lifestyle choices. Generally, some users may witness improvements in symptoms like urinary frequency and flow within a few weeks of consistent usage, while others may require a more extended period to experience significant changes.   It's crucial to maintain realistic expectations and comprehend that supplements like FlowForce Max deliver optimal results when accompanied by a healthy lifestyle encompassing a balanced diet, regular exercise, and adequate hydration. Consistency in adhering to the recommended dosage is pivotal in achieving optimal outcomes.   FlowForce Max Customer Reviews and Complaints Delving into the realm of customer feedback, FlowForce Max appears to have elicited a spectrum of reviews, as is customary with most dietary supplements. Positive testimonials often underscore significant enhancements in urinary health, augmented energy levels, and even anecdotes of heightened sexual vitality. Users applaud the natural approach to managing prostate health without the adverse side effects commonly associated with prescription medications.   ░▒█►✅𝐎𝐟𝐟𝐢𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐖𝐞𝐛𝐬𝐢𝐭𝐞 💲 𝐁𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐏𝐫𝐢𝐜e   Since commencing FlowForce Max, I've noticed a substantial enhancement in my prostate health, a concern I've grappled with for years. The discomfort and frequent bathroom visits had become a major inconvenience, but after merely a few weeks of using this supplement, those issues have markedly diminished. What I value most about FlowForce Max is its reliance on natural ingredients, instilling confidence in its long-term safety. Discovering a product that effectively supports my prostate health sans adverse side effects has been a significant relief. FlowForce Max has truly transformed my daily life.   Complaints by Thomas Grey ⭐⭐⭐⭐ While FlowForce Max has been a beneficial addition to my regimen in managing prostate health, offering relief I hadn't found with other products, I've encountered some challenges with its availability and consistency in delivery times. It can be disconcerting when I'm nearing the end of my supply and uncertain if the subsequent order will arrive punctually. Enhancing distribution and ensuring more reliable delivery would augment this beneficial product. Despite this logistical hiccup, the benefits I've derived from FlowForce Max make it worth persevering with.   ⭐️Check out the FlowForce Max reviews: Over 86,000 customer reviews and 4.9-star rating! 89% of reviews are positive (satisfied with results) while some FlowForce Max users express complaints!   FlowForce Max Expert Reviews Review by Dr. Emily Clarke, Urologist ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ "In my practice, I encounter numerous men seeking non-pharmacological options to bolster their prostate health, and FlowForce Max has emerged as a reputable choice. Its formulation, which integrates essential nutrients and natural extracts renowned for their prostate health benefits, aligns seamlessly with the latest insights in nutritional science. My patients who have integrated FlowForce Max into their daily routines have reported improved urinary flow and decreased nocturnal bathroom visits, substantially enhancing their quality of life. It's a product I confidently endorse, given its efficacy and positive patient feedback."   Review by Dr. Alan Richards, Naturopathic Doctor ⭐⭐⭐⭐ "FlowForce Max distinguishes itself in the prostate health supplement market owing to its meticulous selection of natural ingredients. From saw palmetto to zinc, its constituents are extensively researched for their positive influence on prostate function. I've recommended FlowForce Max to clients as part of a holistic approach to managing prostate health, and many have observed tangible improvements. While I always stress that supplements should complement lifestyle and dietary modifications, not supplant them, FlowForce Max presents a promising option for those seeking to naturally support their prostate health."   Where to Buy FlowForce Max and How Much? FlowForce Max is predominantly available for purchase online, with the official website serving as the most dependable source to ensure authenticity and eligibility for any promotional offers or discounts. It may also be procurable on various reputable e-commerce platforms and health supplement stores. As for the cost, it varies contingent on the package deals offered, with bulk purchases typically providing superior value. Prices are subject to fluctuation, so prospective buyers are urged to verify the latest pricing and offers directly on the product's website or authorized retailers.   ░▒█►✅𝐎𝐟𝐟𝐢𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐖𝐞𝐛𝐬𝐢𝐭𝐞 💲 𝐁𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐏𝐫𝐢𝐜e   What is FlowForce Max's Return Policy? The dedication to customer satisfaction is palpable through FlowForce Max's return policy. The company typically extends a money-back guarantee for a specified duration following the purchase, enabling customers to trial the product with minimal financial risk. This duration may vary, underscoring the importance of reviewing the terms and conditions of the return policy at the time of purchase. This policy underscores the company's confidence in its product and its commitment to ensuring customers feel secure in their investment.   FlowForce Max Reviews: Final Conclusion Amidst the expansive landscape of dietary supplements tailored to enhancing men's health, FlowForce Max emerges as a noteworthy contender. Its meticulously curated blend of natural ingredients, engineered to support prostate health, mitigate urinary issues, and potentially amplify sexual vitality, positions it as a comprehensive health solution for men navigating the challenges of aging.   The product's approach, buttressed by positive customer feedback and underpinned by a satisfaction guarantee, reflects a commitment to quality and efficacy. However, the mixed nature of customer feedback underscores the importance of managing expectations and recognizing that individual results may vary.   For those contemplating FlowForce Max, adopting an open-minded stance is beneficial, acknowledging that natural supplements yield optimal results when complemented by a healthy lifestyle. Consulting with a healthcare provider before commencing any new supplement, particularly for individuals with pre-existing conditions or those consuming medication, remains a prudent step.   Ultimately, FlowForce Max represents a promising avenue for men seeking a natural means to fortify their prostate health and overall well-being. Its success, akin to any supplement, hinges on a myriad of factors, including individual health status, adherence to recommended intake, and lifestyle choices. ░▒█►✅𝐎𝐟𝐟𝐢𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐖𝐞𝐛𝐬𝐢𝐭𝐞 💲 𝐁𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐏𝐫𝐢𝐜e ░▒█►✅𝐎𝐟𝐟𝐢𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐖𝐞𝐛𝐬𝐢𝐭𝐞 💲 𝐁𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐏𝐫𝐢𝐜e
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