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QB Wonderlic scores


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8 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Well higher SAT/ACT scores and greater "college success" do not seem to correlate particularly strongly. 

 

8 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Nor does success in school correlate with success in the workplace.

Where might you guy be sourcing backup for such opinions?

Doesn't add up.

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This should tell you all you want to know about the Wonderlic, re the NFL:

The Wonderlic test is used in the NFL Scouting Combine. Paul Brown introduced the test to the league in the late 1960s.[33] According to Paul Zimmerman's The New Thinking Man's Guide to Pro Football, the average score of an NFL player according to position is the following:[34]

An average football player usually scores around 20 points.[11] Quarterbacks and offensive linemen usually have higher scores.[33] Most teams want at least 21 for a quarterback.[35]

Some notable players who scored well below the average include:

Some notable players who scored well above the average include:

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8 hours ago, RASTAN66 said:

 

Where might you guy be sourcing backup for such opinions?

Doesn't add up.

I mean you can just Google the SAT/ACT scores studies. At best they have been shown to mildly correlate. 

Some universities have done away with the standardized testing requirement entirely.

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6 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I struggle with that. You get pretty bored of the poo towards the end.

Well, Prof, I couldn't finish - 12 minutes time limit ran out on me with 5 Q's left, but I got 41 right of the ones I answered. (still don't agree with "different' and 'unrelated' being 2 dissimilar .)

All of you should take the test (a sample) and see how you'd judge these college athletes' performance on it, as compared to your own.  (I see the test is often unavailable due to traffic)

https://www.test-guide.com/free-wonderlic-practice-tests.html

Be sure to set your timers.  It's fun, and will explain each answer.

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Some people just aren't good test takers.  Maybe they have ADHD, which has actually shown to improve sports ability.  So, sitting down taking a test is just too trivial for them to care about, they excel in chaotic environments.

"Athletes with ADHD tend to perform better in sports that require hyper focus, i.e. short and intense bursts of attention. They can be in the moment, with a heightened awareness of their immediate environment. They excel in chaotic conditions and thrive under pressure." - Forbes

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