Why Winning Now Will Cost Us About 15 Years

[SaltnPepper]

For those of you thinking winning now is the right thing to do let me show you why you are wrong.

First my version of tanking would have been to not sign Davis, Teddy or traded for that OT.

I would have run with what we could keep from last years team and treated the entire season as a roster evaluation thus ensuring the first pick.

So we would coach hard and play hard and probably just come up short in games.

Now I've seen the stupid stink of losing argument on here. Jimmy Johnson took over a 3-13 team. Took Aikman. Went 1-15 in his first season got another number 1 and the rest is history.

Let's look at the Cowboys. They were dominant with Rodger. Dropped off with Danny. Weren't dominant again until they got Troy and since Troy retired they have been bad to ok. The key? Bad owner and no QB. (Romo was not a stud)

Dolphins

Great with Bobby G then after they lost him sucked until Marino and have been irrelevant since he retired. That's long down periods.

Steelers
Dominant with number one overall Terry B. Then they were off the Earth until Cower got there. But horse teeth and Kordell couldn't get it done ( both these guys are Teddy Bridgewater) then they got Ben and were winning championships again.

Packers

Dominant with Bart then drop off the planet until Farve. How long was that? Then they lucked into Rodgers.

Chargers

They had Fouts and were good
Then nothing until Rivers

Giants

Nothing after the 60s until they got Simms
Did ok but dropped with Hostettler
Became obscure until Eli

Bill's

Nothing till Kelly
Nothing since until Allen

I could go on and on with probably every team in the league.

QBs don't grow on trees and y'alls problem is that the Panthers have been rather fortunate in the QB department and success department.


You guys constantly say win now and get a QB later? So when is that going to happen?
10 years from now? 20? 30?

The fact is we had a chance to control our own destiny and do something few teams have ever done move from one great QB to another without years of average in between.

Trevor would have been our chance to build a multiyear dominance now.

You guys constantly throw out Rodgers and others taken outside the top 5. Well that depends on the other teams missing them.

I love Thomas Davis but we should have taken Rodgers. I love CMC but we should have taken Mahomes. We made mistakes both those years. Are you willing to hope other teams are stupid during our search for a QB?

If we start consistently making the playoffs with Teddy but never getting to the NFC championship where is our savior going to come from?

How long will we have to wait?

Winning now if we don't get at least Lance has probably cost at least 15 years of no ring.


Show me why I'm wrong.

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

4 minutes ago, SaltnPepper said:

For those of you thinking winning now is the right thing to do let me show you why you are wrong.

First my version of tanking would have been to not sign Davis, Teddy or traded for that OT.

I would have run with what we could keep from last years team and treated the entire season as a roster evaluation thus ensuring the first pick.

So we would coach hard and play hard and probably just come up short in games.

Now I've seen the stupid stink of losing argument on here. Jimmy Johnson took over a 3-13 team. Took Aikman. Went 1-15 in his first season got another number 1 and the rest is history.

Let's look at the Cowboys. They were dominant with Rodger. Dropped off with Danny. Weren't dominant again until they got Troy and since Troy retired they have been bad to ok. The key? Bad owner and no QB. (Romo was not a stud)

Dolphins

Great with Bobby G then after they lost him sucked until Marino and have been irrelevant since he retired. That's long down periods.

Steelers
Dominant with number one overall Terry B. Then they were off the Earth until Cower got there. But horse teeth and Kordell couldn't get it done ( both these guys are Teddy Bridgewater) then they got Ben and were winning championships again.

Packers

Dominant with Bart then drop off the planet until Farve. How long was that? Then they lucked into Rodgers.

Chargers

They had Fouts and were good
Then nothing until Rivers

Giants

Nothing after the 60s until they got Simms
Did ok but dropped with Hostettler
Became obscure until Eli

Bill's

Nothing till Kelly
Nothing since until Allen

I could go on and on with probably every team in the league.

QBs don't grow on trees and y'alls problem is that the Panthers have been rather fortunate in the QB department and success department.


You guys constantly say win now and get a QB later? So when is that going to happen?
10 years from now? 20? 30?

The fact is we had a chance to control our own destiny and do something few teams have ever done move from one great QB to another without years of average in between.

Trevor would have been our chance to build a multiyear dominance now.

You guys constantly throw out Rodgers and others taken outside the top 5. Well that depends on the other teams missing them.

I love Thomas Davis but we should have taken Rodgers. I love CMC but we should have taken Mahomes. We made mistakes both those years. Are you willing to hope other teams are stupid during our search for a QB?

If we start consistently making the playoffs with Teddy but never getting to the NFC championship where is our savior going to come from?

How long will we have to wait?

Winning now if we don't get at least Lance has probably cost at least 15 years of no ring.


Show me why I'm wrong.

Yet another nonsense thread.

[motocross_cat]

Dude.  All the misery in the world and you cannot be happy about your football team winning.

I'll plug you in with the right guys to get you some medication to turn that frown upside down.

[SaltnPepper]

1 minute ago, PantherOnTheProwl1523 said:

Yet another nonsense thread.

Show me why I'm wrong. 

What have I said that's not factual?

[WarPanthers89]

[uncfan888]

Fifteen years is a little asinine

[SaltnPepper]

1 minute ago, motocross_cat said:

Dude.  All the misery in the world and you cannot be happy about your football team winning.

I'll plug you in with the right guys to get you some medication to turn that frown upside down.

I'm not a fan to just win games.

I want championships. 

You'll never see me criticize the Carolina Hurricanes. You know why? They have a cup!!!

[SmokinwithWilly]

Trevor Lawrence is not a guaranteed Dynasty. It takes a lot more than just that. One of the reasons BB has been so successful in NE is culture. Granted he had TB but even with Matt Kassell, that was an 11-5 team that may have made a deep run but didnt get a WC. 

I want the Panthers to win, but having a generational talent with a bad coach wont get you there either. Let Rhule build the culture. Watch FAs come here because they want a shot at a ring. It takes more than just a QB to win the Lombardi.

[SaltnPepper]

Just now, uncfan888 said:

Fifteen years is a little asinine

It seems about average over league history. 

Again I await an intelligent retort.

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

1 minute ago, SaltnPepper said:

Show me why I'm wrong. 

What have I said that's not factual?

Not one thing you said was remotely factual but all ridiculous nonsense with no basis with facts whatsoever.

[SaltnPepper]

2 minutes ago, WarPanthers89 said:

No you!

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

Just now, SaltnPepper said:

It seems about average over league history. 

Again I await an intelligent retort.

I don't see one in any of the comments you made either.

[Porn Shop Clerk]

bath salts are a hell of a drug

[SaltnPepper]

Just now, PantherOnTheProwl1523 said:

Not one thing you said was remotely factual but all ridiculous nonsense with no basis with facts whatsoever.

Really. Where was I wrong?

I'll wait?

Redskins? Jurgensen then nothing till Theismann and Williams and nothing since.