Brees has broken ribs, collapsed lung

[Snake]

On 11/17/2020 at 4:50 PM, OneBadCat said:

This is the same egregious assumptions people made about Cam Newton. I get what you’re saying but it could be that Winston perfectly understands what’s going on on the field, he just can’t deliver. Maybe he panics when the first few reads aren’t open, or his peripheral vision just isn’t good enough. It doesn’t mean he’s a moron. He’s played the game for over a decade , some of these things probably soak in eventually.

You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to be an effective QB. Fitzpatrick is the smartest QB in the game and has never ever been in consideration as the best.

Bro that's exactly what I said. You can be a brilliant person and still not have a good football IQ. His IQ is the problem. 

[Iron Saint]

On 11/16/2020 at 2:15 PM, Harbingers said:

Winston's issues last night did not appear to be just because he played for TB. Perhaps it was because they were putting hill in every 3rd play though.

Same reason Bridgewater came in against the Rams in Week 2 last year and stunk up the joint, because he was operating a gameplan that was tailored to Brees. Week 3 against the Seahawks and Bridgewater was running a gameplan tailored to his strengths and looked eons better.

The gameplan this week against the Falcons will be tailored to whomever the starting QB is, whether it’s Winston or Hill.

On 11/17/2020 at 1:48 AM, Mother Grabber said:

the taints intentionally injured opposing quarterbacks, and Brees supported it. fug him, and fug the taints.

I bet you believe everything Fox News or CNN tells you too, don’t you? 

On 11/17/2020 at 4:25 AM, raz said:

this is a fact.

No, it’s not. Actually far from it considering the injury report data (which is mandated by the league to be accurate) directly disproves that fallacy.

American Enterprise Institute: The Saints ain’t sinners

[Harbingers]

5 minutes ago, Iron Saint said:

Same reason Bridgewater came in against the Rams in Week 2 last year and stunk up the joint, because he was operating a gameplan that was tailored to Brees. Week 3 against the Seahawks and Bridgewater was running a gameplan tailored to his strengths and looked eons better.

 

There is no gameplan tailored to Brees. its just running Hill in every third play.

[raz]

4 hours ago, Iron Saint said:

 

No, it’s not. Actually far from it considering the injury report data (which is mandated by the league to be accurate) directly disproves that fallacy.

American Enterprise Institute: The Saints ain’t sinners

 is this y'alls super pac dedicated to keeping people from knowing about your teams assistance in covering up and PR campaigns surrounding organized child rape?  and your poor wittle qb's donation of large sums of money to organizations that get peoples heads and hands cut off for being gay in africa?     i get its your favorite team, but y'all are beyond creepy.  way beyond creepy as an organization. if you can't be aware of this because you don't like it, and have it be your favorite team -  that's on you.   

[Iron Saint]

5 hours ago, Harbingers said:

There is no gameplan tailored to Brees. its just running Hill in every third play.

I agree, but part of the gameplan for that specific game is designed for Hill to come in and take those snaps at QB. If Winston ends up being under center while Brees is on the shelf, like last year, Hill won’t be getting nearly as many touches as he would normally with Brees was still in the lineup.

When Brees was out last year, Hill averaged only 2.8 touches/game and played on only 49 offensive snaps (9.8 snaps/game) with 14 touches (1 touch every 3.5 snaps).

So far this year he’s averaging 5.2 touches/game while playing 149 offensive snaps (16.6 snaps/game) with 47 touches (1 touch every 3.2 snaps). So while he still touches the ball with the same ratio regarding his snaps, it won’t surprise me to see his offensive snap count drop significantly again.

Hill’s special teams snaps also take a huge dip when Brees is out. Last year with Brees starting, Hill averaged 23.3 snaps/game on ST; for the 5 games that Bridgewater started, he averaged only 6.2 snaps/game on ST.

But like it’s been pointed out in this thread, I think Winston would look better with a full week of 1st team reps and a gameplan designed to his strengths. We’ll have to see how it goes though, will definitely be interesting.

40 minutes ago, raz said:

 is this y'alls super pac dedicated to keeping people from knowing about your teams assistance in covering up and PR campaigns surrounding organized child rape?  and your poor wittle qb's donation of large sums of money to organizations that get peoples heads and hands cut off for being gay in africa?     i get its your favorite team, but y'all are beyond creepy.  way beyond creepy as an organization. if you can't be aware of this because you don't like it, and have it be your favorite team -  that's on you.   

As I asked the other dense individual you’re in agreement with, you really do believe everything the idiot box tells you without researching anything on your own, don’t you? It’s a pity you don’t know how to think for yourself and can only regurgitate this verbal diarrhea that’s been pumped into your empty head on command.

But I guess since you obviously can’t talk football like some of the better posters here, you have to find something “football-adjacent” to bring up where you can feel like you’re part of the group. More power to you, guy. 

[raz]

39 minutes ago, Iron Saint said:

I agree, but part of the gameplan for that specific game is designed for Hill to come in and take those snaps at QB. If Winston ends up being under center while Brees is on the shelf, like last year, Hill won’t be getting nearly as many touches as he would normally with Brees was still in the lineup.

When Brees was out last year, Hill averaged only 2.8 touches/game and played on only 49 offensive snaps (9.8 snaps/game) with 14 touches (1 touch every 3.5 snaps).

So far this year he’s averaging 5.2 touches/game while playing 149 offensive snaps (16.6 snaps/game) with 47 touches (1 touch every 3.2 snaps). So while he still touches the ball with the same ratio regarding his snaps, it won’t surprise me to see his offensive snap count drop significantly again.

Hill’s special teams snaps also take a huge dip when Brees is out. Last year with Brees starting, Hill averaged 23.3 snaps/game on ST; for the 5 games that Bridgewater started, he averaged only 6.2 snaps/game on ST.

But like it’s been pointed out in this thread, I think Winston would look better with a full week of 1st team reps and a gameplan designed to his strengths. We’ll have to see how it goes though, will definitely be interesting.

As I asked the other dense individual you’re in agreement with, you really do believe everything the idiot box tells you without researching anything on your own, don’t you? It’s a pity you don’t know how to think for yourself and can only regurgitate this verbal diarrhea that’s been pumped into your empty head on command.

But I guess since you obviously can’t talk football like some of the better posters here, you have to find something “football-adjacent” to bring up where you can feel like you’re part of the group. More power to you, guy. 

says the guy who's favorite team advises the church how to deal with the PR crisis of organized child rape, and who's qb has donated large sums of $ to helping kill gays in africa for a book he likes.  and a coach who has threatened... and who's team has paid to injure and ....

but payton does have some pretty sweet make-up.      that's your team bro.  that's on you.   they're disgusting from the top to the bottom.

you stay willfully ignorant all you want.   that's you bro.  you do that

[kungfoodude]

7 hours ago, Snake said:

Decision making. In a vacuum he's got it all but his processing of information is absolutely terrible. It's kinda like Teddy Check down they just don't have the processing to be good or elite. Winston will be coached to minimize his decision making but it will eventually happen. 

He's a gunslinger. His gambling is the same as Brett Favre or Philip Rivers. It is what makes them great at times and miserable at others.

[raz]

and ironsaint, when we found out about 'mister', there were only about 2 posters on this board, who like you defend your team, defended him.  we're actually a better group than that

[Snake]

41 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

He's a gunslinger. His gambling is the same as Brett Favre or Philip Rivers. It is what makes them great at times and miserable at others.

But both Brett Favre and Phillip Rivers made good decisions and took calculated chances not throw 4 picks every 3 games. 

[kungfoodude]

3 hours ago, Snake said:

But both Brett Favre and Phillip Rivers made good decisions and took calculated chances not throw 4 picks every 3 games. 

You mean like the season Favre threw 29 INT's?

Go back and search my post from the last year where I did a detailed statistical analysis of Winston's career numbers at that point. Guess who his stats are almost a perfect mirror of?

Brett Favre.

[Anybodyhome]

On 11/16/2020 at 3:05 PM, CRA said:

How you pay Hill that kinda of money to come in and run the wildcat twice a game.

Better yet, how do teams continue to get gashed by the guy, knowing full well he's going to run the ball when he comes on the field?

[Anybodyhome]

On 11/16/2020 at 4:13 PM, gofightwin said:

He will drugged to the max. 

His head coach has access to all the Vicodin he could possibly need.

[Snake]

39 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

You mean like the season Favre threw 29 INT's?

Go back and search my post from the last year where I did a detailed statistical analysis of Winston's career numbers at that point. Guess who his stats are almost a perfect mirror of?

Brett Favre.

You mean the year he went 4-10. Stop trying to compare a backup QB to a MVP and HOF QB. You're going to lose that fight. 

[Anybodyhome]

Just a short bit on why the Saints are a scumbag organization, and I'm not even going down the Bountygate road...

http://www.fieldofschemes.com/2018/04/04/13630/louisiana-is-about-to-subsidize-the-saints-for-the-fifth-time-in-17-years-because-louisiana/

The state of Louisiana approved a $400,000 diagnostic architectural survey of the Superdome last week, and if that sounds trivial, it’s not: Apparently it’s the first step toward yet another renovation of the New Orleans Saints‘ home stadium on the state’s dime. Or rather, five billion dimes:

The $422,000 study, which was approved last May, proposed several options to modernize the Superdome and increase revenue streams for its anchor tenant, the New Orleans Saints. Among them: removal of the interior pedestrian ramps; installation of glazed windows to some parts of the Dome’s existing sides; installation of field-level bunker suites; and improving parts of the terrace seating.

Depending on the scope, the price tag for the potential renovation ranges from $150 million to $500 million.

If you’ve lost track of how many renovations of the Superdome this makes, I put together a handy scorecard last year:

$134 million to build it in the first place in 1975, then $54 million for emergency repairs after Hurricane Katrina, then $376 million in non-emergency repairs after that, including replacing the exterior and redoing the entire lower bowl of the stadium with new seating and club space. Along the way, the state paid Saints owner Tom Benson $186 million to keep the team in town through 2011, then another $392 million to keep the team in town through 2025.

So if Louisiana approves the full $500 million upgrade, that’ll be $1.508 billion it’s given to the Saints owners (in either renovation costs or straight-up cash) over the past 18 years, or $1.642 billion if you count building the dome in the first place. (That’s all nominal dollars; if you want to figure out the total value in 2018 dollars, go for it, there are plenty of calculators for that sort of thing online.) All in order to “increase revenue streams” for the Saints, without which they would presumably move to some other city that’s willing to give them a billion and a half dollars? Leave it to Tom Benson (and now his heirs): In a city of grifters, he may have come up with the most lucrative grift of all time.

https://www.nola.com/sports/saints/article_c75dbeee-edb5-58a5-8079-bd64cf5521cc.html

The unprecedented resurgence of the New Orleans Saints after Hurricane Katrina raised the stakes for keeping the team in the city. But when critics balked at the generous taxpayer-funded incentives to keep the team, owner Tom Benson agreed in 2009 to renegotiate terms with the state.

Seven years later, the resulting deal has proven just as lucrative to Louisiana's richest man -- and potentially more so.

Before the state renegotiated its agreement with Benson, there was no mystery as to how much money taxpayers were spending to keep the team in town.

"It was a set amount that just kept ratcheting up every couple of years," said Doug Thornton, executive vice president of SMG, the company that manages operations at the Mercedes-Benz Superdome and Smoothie King Center.

For 2009-2012, the final three years of the Saints' previous contract, the inducement payment was set at $23.5 million. Meaning not only did Benson get to keep virtually all the revenue generated by his team's home games, the state had to cut a fat check for the privilege of hosting him.

The arrangement had become an embarrassment to both sides.

Thornton, serving as the agent of the Louisiana Stadium and Exposition District (LSED), which owns the stadium and the arena on behalf of the public, was at the center of the negotiations on a new deal. Everyone had an incentive to deal, he said.

"The Saints didn't want the inducements," he said. "It was bad for them. It was bad for us. They didn't like taking it, and we didn't like giving it to them."

The new deal, good for 15 years, did away with the inducement payments. That saved the state millions in annual out-of-pocket expenses.

But that's not to say that Benson took a loss. On the contrary, it's likely he will end up making even more money than he did before.

Rather than hand Benson $23.5 million every year, the state agreed to make a one-time $85 million investment in Superdome upgrades. The overhaul added 3,200 new seats, club lounges, 16 new box suites, a new team store and more concessions options. Whatever extra money Benson could squeeze out of the new amenities was his to keep.

The LSED estimated he would clear at $12 million or more each year. If the Saints didn't make at least that much, the state agreed to pay the team cash to make up the difference.

From Benson's standpoint, though, he was still going to get shorted $11.5 million, compared with his old deal.

Enter the real estate exchange.

Dominion Tower and the New Orleans Centre, a vacant office building and a defunct shopping mall, sat directly across the street from the Superdome.

With no private buyers willing to take the risk, the LSED had been considering buying the properties. The idea was to have the state move its local offices into Dominion Tower, and rent from the state agencies would provide cash flow that could be used to subsidize Benson's operations.

Then-Gov. Bobby Jindal was against the plan, Thornton said. Ever the conservative, Jindal thought private business would do better on the real estate management than the state.

Benson agreed to step in. Aided by a slew of tax breaks, his real estate company, Zelia LLC, paid $42.1 million to acquire the office tower and mall and agreed to absorb another $40 million in renovation costs.

In exchange, the state agreed to move government agencies into two-thirds of the 488,000-square-foot office building, renamed Benson Tower. The lease was good for the duration of the Saints' 15-year agreement to remain in New Orleans.

The LSED also agreed to transform Benson's newly acquired mall area into what is now Champions Square, an outdoor concert venue and fan zone. The district agreed to lease and operate the new attraction for the remainder of the Saints contract.