did you feel better about the future of the team in 2011 or 2020

[Jacabee]

Just now, Floppin said:

How so?

You weren't excited during and after Cam's rookie year with a fresh Rivera?

I was making an objective assertion about the question itself, but fine I’ll bite and offer my own take:

 I was tempered in 2011. The 2010 season was fairly demoralizing topped off with clausen being rumored as a first round Hurney target. I didn’t know enough about cam in 2011 but I certainly liked the idea and he was everything you could want and more. Rivera...well I’ve been in SoCal most of my life and in San Diego through the thick of it. I followed the chargers organization closely and there was very little in Rivera that inspired confidence. He was a a good guy and a players coach. He was that here as well. Those qualities don’t necessarily make you a great leader.
 

I think the new regime, from owner down, is worth being excited about. I could proffer opinions all day but for purposes of this thread, I think the development of the young players is a very encouraging direction.

[MechaZain]

Nothing this year compares to rookie Cam. 

[Floppin]

1 minute ago, Jacabee said:

I was making an objective assertion about the question itself, but fine I’ll bite and offer my own take:

 I was tempered in 2011. The 2010 season was fairly demoralizing topped off with clausen being rumored as a first round Hurney target. I didn’t know enough about cam in 2011 but I certainly liked the idea and he was everything you could want and more. Rivera...well I’ve been in SoCal most of my life and in San Diego through the thick of it. I followed the chargers organization closely and there was very little in Rivera that inspired confidence. He was a a good guy and a players coach. He was that here as well. Those qualities don’t necessarily make you a great leader.
 

I think the new regime, from owner down, is worth being excited about. I could proffer opinions all day but for purposes of this thread, I think the development of the young players is a very encouraging direction.

Yeah, 2010 sucked but that's part of why 2011 was such a revelation. Honestly, I don't remember that many people being excited about Rivera specifically. I mean, he was liked but no one was really betting on him being the reason we would succeed or not. It was more about the players future, which is kind of the inverse of our current situation. That 2011 team was fuging stacked in a lot of ways and we hadn't had the Chudzinski to Shula transition yet so the future of our offense was looking bright (until the last few games when Chud went full dumbass).

Like, I like Rhule and I mostly like Brady so far but that's about it. This team as it stands is straight trash and we still have motherfuging Hurney in charge of righting the ship. There's so many holes to fill and not just on the players side.

[Jacabee]

4 minutes ago, Floppin said:

Yeah, 2010 sucked but that's part of why 2011 was such a revelation. Honestly, I don't remember that many people being excited about Rivera specifically. I mean, he was liked but no one was really betting on him being the reason we would succeed or not. It was more about the players future, which is kind of the inverse of our current situation. That 2011 team was fuging stacked in a lot of ways and we hadn't had the Chudzinski to Shula transition yet so the future of our offense was looking bright (until the last few games when Chud went full dumbass).

Like, I like Rhule and I mostly like Brady so far but that's about it. This team as it stands is straight trash and we still have motherfuging Hurney in charge of righting the ship. There's so many holes to fill and not just on the players side.

Hmm. I guess we disagree that “this team is straight trash”. I see a lot of bright spots. But it’s an extremely young and inexperienced group and the margins for error in the NFL are very slim. You need 11 guys on each side of the ball that can work together. We lack talent and/or experience at a few crucial positions, the most obvious being mlb, safety and pick your poison on our o-line in that order. This team is not that far away.

[Floppin]

4 minutes ago, Jacabee said:

Hmm. I guess we disagree that “this team is straight trash”. I see a lot of bright spots. But it’s an extremely young and inexperienced group and the margins for error in the NFL are very slim. You need 11 guys on each side of the ball that can work together. We lack talent and/or experience at a few crucial positions, the most obvious being mlb, safety and pick your poison on our o-line in that order. This team is not that far away.

I was being hyperbolic but not by much. We have talented skill position players on Offense but our QB is sub par and the o-line is mostly garbage. On defense we have two young DE's, one DT and one safety that we hope continue to develop . It doesn't matter if they're young or not, a lot of those guys will not be future starters nor should they be. 

[Green-Ghost]

In order for this to work, you have to pretend to not know the outcome.   Ron came across as a special coach.  Cam Newton certainly had a record showing special QB talent. 

The resume of 2011 is definitely much better than the resume of 2020.  However, sometimes the unproven guy can become very special. 

Remember Brees in 2005.  Miami didn't want to take a chance.  Put yourself in Miami's fanbase in 2005.  What QB would you have wanted.

[Jacabee]

17 minutes ago, Floppin said:

I was being hyperbolic but not by much. We have talented skill position players on Offense but our QB is sub par and the o-line is mostly garbage. On defense we have two young DE's, one DT and one safety that we hope continue to develop . It doesn't matter if they're young or not, a lot of those guys will not be future starters nor should they be. 

You’re basically asserting development is irrelevant for some unspecified group of players. I mean you’ll have to be specific about to whom you think  the “doesn’t matter” quip applies. But generally, their youth and inexperience is fundamentally tied to our ability to asses whether they can be “future starters”. 
 

I agree with you about the line, offensive skill positions. Also agree about the hope in Chinn, YGM and Brown although very optimistic there. I’d like to note Burns is playing elite. It’s not yet showing on the stats but it will, especially with a bit more help. Truly hope snow starts to dial it up a bit more now that we’re more or less out of the playoff picture 

[Panthercougar68]

I’m excited this year more than 2011 But what’s funny is that that year and this year seem to mirror each other.

It was just last week in 2011 that we had the doors blown off us by the Titans.

[Floppin]

11 minutes ago, Jacabee said:

You’re basically asserting development is irrelevant for some unspecified group of players. I mean you’ll have to be specific about to whom you think  the “doesn’t matter” quip applies. But generally, their youth and inexperience is fundamentally tied to our ability to asses whether they can be “future starters”. 
 

I agree with you about the line, offensive skill positions. Also agree about the hope in Chinn, YGM and Brown although very optimistic there. I’d like to note Burns is playing elite. It’s not yet showing on the stats but it will, especially with a bit more help. Truly hope snow starts to dial it up a bit more now that we’re more or less out of the playoff picture 

I'm pretty sure I was pretty specific. Outside of YGM, Burns, Chinn and Brown, I have serious doubts if anyone can develop into long term starter material on defense. Franklin and Roy (at DT) have looked good at times but the rest of the safeties are trash. Shaq Thompson is wildly inconsistent and honestly not worth retaining and the rest of the LB's are fuging awful. All of our corners are garbage and even the young ones have shown little for me to believe that it's just inexperience that's the problem - they're outclassed from a talent and athleticism prospective. 

[jackson113]

Rivera got off to a slow start, people was calling for his head the first three years...

[Jacabee]

2 minutes ago, Floppin said:

I'm pretty sure I was pretty specific. Outside of YGM, Burns, Chinn and Brown, I have serious doubts if anyone can develop into long term starter material on defense. Franklin and Roy have looked good at times, Shaq Thompson is wildly inconsistent and honestly not worth retaining and the rest of the LB's are fuging awful. All of our corners are garbage and even the young ones have shown little for me to believe that it's just inexperience that's the problem - they're outclassed from a talent and athleticism prospective. 

Thanks for clarifying. I agree with most of this as well. I guess I just disagree with the conclusion that it makes us “straight trash”. Elder has played well in spots as nickel as has Burris when healthy. Douglas has played above expectation and often when he looks bad there’s a zone leverage issue which signals a problem beyond just him. We need a mlb above all else, safety and corner I agree are both top needs. Will be an interesting free agency 

[Floppin]

2 minutes ago, Jacabee said:

Thanks for clarifying. I agree with most of this as well. I guess I just disagree with the conclusion that it makes us “straight trash”. Elder has played well in spots as nickel as has Burris when healthy. Douglas has played above expectation and often when he looks bad there’s a zone leverage issue which signals a problem beyond just him. We need a mlb above all else, safety and corner I agree are both top needs. Will be an interesting free agency 

Again, I stated that I was being hyperbolic, however, this was also supposed to be in comparison with 2011 so I stand by my original statement.

[CarolinaRideorDie]

Comparing 2011 to 2020 is like comparing apples to oranges. In 2011 we knew who our QB was going to be even if we didn't know how he was going to turn out. In 2020, half the huddle can't even agree if TB is the future at QB, it's more accurate to compare 2010 to 2020. In 2010 we had Pickles at QB and definitely rebuilding, in 2011 we at least have a sense of direction in the QB department. 

[pantherphan96]

Rhule is the more promising coach but our offense was electric with Cam his first couple years when the OL wasnt dogshit and we didnt have Shula as OC. it's just that the defense was absolutely garbage.