Seeing Walker makes me see Teddy's limitations too

[raleigh-panther]

42 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Money is why he isn't in New Orleans.

And if you think athletic traits are more important in a quarterback than mental traits, again you're doing it wrong.

The two quarterbacks that have the most wins and the most passing records between them in the league right now are also two of the least athletic guys you can find. One of them is 43 years old.

If you can find good athletic traits along with the mental side of things like you have with Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes, you've got an elite quarterback. But those guys are very rare. Most of the time you have to settle for one or the other.

And if that's your choice, you take the mental side.

Disagree with you.

The Saints manage to somehow always find money for athletes they want to obtain  or keep.

we have all marveled at how they manage  to do just that with the salary cap 

given that, with Brees getting ready to retire, with knowing who Bridgewater is, and knowing he knows the offensive system and won five games and, you know, Teddy being the nice, cerebral leader he is, they didn’t chose to find a way to keep him

we are talking a QB, the most important position on the field and hey couldn't find a way to keep him

i do not buy that.  I don’t see how anyone could 

more likely,  Payton felt ‘nice average player but doesn’t merit the money vs not being able to find the money ‘

I want this team to have a franchise QB period.  The 63 million they spent on Bridgewater could have, a pnd should have been spent elsewhere, like keeping the three receivers together or finding several free agents for either side of the ball 

 

[Ricky Spanish]

Whole lotta knee jerk in this thread...

PJ did fine. Competition was bad and he made two bad mistakes.

He also showed a really lively arm and the ability to improvise. 

I'm not ready to appoint him the next star of the franchise based off of one game. 

For now, he looks like a solid backup that can come in and win us a game when the starter goes down. That's all you can ask of him at this point. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, raleigh-panther said:

Disagree with you.

The Saints manage to somehow always find money for athletes they want to obtain  or keep.

we have all marveled at how they manage  to do just that with the salary cap 

given that, with Brees getting ready to retire, with knowing who Bridgewater is, and knowing he knows the offensive system and won five games and, you know, Teddy being the nice, cerebral leader he is, they didn’t chose to find a way to keep him

we are talking a QB, the most important position on the field and hey couldn't find a way to keep him

i do not buy that.  I don’t see how anyone could 

more likely,  Payton felt ‘nice average player but doesn’t merit the money vs not being able to find the money ‘

I want this team to have a franchise QB period.  The 63 million they spent on Bridgewater could have, a pnd should have been spent elsewhere, like keeping the three receivers together or finding several free agents for either side of the ball 

 

Payton believed he could turn Taysom Hill into a franchise quarterback. That was part of what allowed them to move on from Bridgewater.

Throw in that we weren't the only offer Bridgewater had. He reportedly had a bigger offer from Miami but chose to sign here because he'd be the unquestioned starter.

Add in also that the money they're paying Bridgewater isn't franchise quarterback money, not even close. However with that said, Joe Brady has gone on record as saying he believes Bridgewater can be a franchise quarterback.

I don't believe that. I don't know if Brady really believes that or if he's trying to pep up his player. Ultimately, it doesn't really matter. The result is the same.

[raleigh-panther]

1 minute ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Whole lotta knee jerk in this thread...

PJ did fine. Competition was bad and he made two bad mistakes.

He also showed a really lively arm and the ability to improvise. 

I'm not ready to appoint him the next star of the franchise based off of one game. 

For now, he looks like a solid backup that can come in and win us a game when the starter goes down. That's all you can ask of him at this point. 

you are right but I dont think anyone is doing that 

What I’m saying is Bridgewater cannot stretch the field...  the better defenses know this and they sit on those routes    They also know he doesn’t like to run. He will, just not his strong suit 

my observation  is today’s nfl defenses are so fast and strong, they have to be worried about more than one area   With Teddy, it’s one area 

 

 

 

[KSpan]

3 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

They're in win-now mode and they have by far the worst cap situation in the league.  Entertaining a scenario where they would have paid him $20+ million a year to potentially sit on the bench for 1, 2, even 3 years just isn't operating in reality.  And that's even assuming Teddy would have been willing to re-sign there as a back-up rather than actually getting the opportunity to start somewhere.  "Hey Teddy, I know you're at your prime age and have overcome a gruesome injury to get a chance to play quarterback again, but we want you to come back and warm the bench for us.  Just be patient cause you might get a chance next year or the year after".

Also, this mentality of treating a player leaving in FA as some type of blemish or indictment against them is really strange.  So Robby Anderson just isn't a good receiver cause the Jets let him go in FA.  If he was good, they clearly would have held on to him.  Bradberry is meh and definitely replaceable, or else we would have kept him, right?  There are tons of great players that leave in FA every year for a number of reasons.

I'm not saying at all that FA departure should be viewed as an automatic knock on the departing player. Big-name guys hit the market regularly for a variety of reasons but we rarely see established high-quality quarterbacks hitting the market. You're right that the Saints are strapped and that Teddy wanted to start somewhere but it's very possible that Brees is gone as early as next year. If NO truly felt that Teddy was their guy then IMO they likely would have found a way to keep him around, win-now mode or not (see post-SB Foles). 

That said it's entirely possible that Brees, at least at the time, had said he'd keep playing for a number of years longer. As such Teddy was done sitting and he wouldn't spend even another season as a backup, supported by his reluctance to even compete in Chicago. Even then though NO kept Hill instead of him, not knowing who they'd end up with to round out that QB room.

 

 

[KSpan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Money is why he isn't in New Orleans.

And if you think athletic traits are more important in a quarterback than mental traits, again you're doing it wrong.

The two quarterbacks that have the most wins and the most passing records between them in the league right now are also two of the least athletic guys you can find. One of them is 43 years old.

If you can find good athletic traits along with the mental side of things like you have with Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes, you've got an elite quarterback. But those guys are very rare. Most of the time you have to settle for one or the other.

And if that's your choice, you take the mental side.

Problem is that Teddy doesn't seem all that great on the mental side either. Aversion to taking shots is a problem, as is folding under pressure, and his limited athleticism is a further limitation. It's my opinion that if a guy is going to be an average-to-above-average player give me a Delhomme (I'm using him objectively here as a familiar comparison) or someone with greater physical talents and dynamics - and lesser game-manager attributes - over a Bridgewater or Alex Smith.

You may feel differently and that's fine - the ultimate results may be the same. I just feel like the more dynamic player has a better chance of even lucking into something good (e.g. Flacco's playoff run). 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Problem is that Teddy doesn't seem all that great on the mental side either. Aversion to taking shots is a problem, as is folding under pressure, and his limited athleticism is a further limitation. It's my opinion that if a guy is going to be an average-to-above-average player give me a Delhomme (I'm using him objectively here as a familiar comparison) or someone with greater physical talents and dynamics over a Bridgewater or Alex Smith.

You may feel differently and that's fine - the ultimate results may be the same. I just feel like the more dynamic player has a better chance of even lucking into something good (e.g. Flacco's playoff run). 

I feel like Bridgewater is an ideal backup for the system we run, and that's where I'd prefer to keep him. He'd also make a pretty good mentor to a young quarterback.

Whether that's gonna be possible? No idea.

[TLGPanthersFan]

1 hour ago, raleigh-panther said:

Disagree with you.

The Saints manage to somehow always find money for athletes they want to obtain  or keep.

we have all marveled at how they manage  to do just that with the salary cap 

given that, with Brees getting ready to retire, with knowing who Bridgewater is, and knowing he knows the offensive system and won five games and, you know, Teddy being the nice, cerebral leader he is, they didn’t chose to find a way to keep him

we are talking a QB, the most important position on the field and hey couldn't find a way to keep him

i do not buy that.  I don’t see how anyone could 

more likely,  Payton felt ‘nice average player but doesn’t merit the money vs not being able to find the money ‘

I want this team to have a franchise QB period.  The 63 million they spent on Bridgewater could have, a pnd should have been spent elsewhere, like keeping the three receivers together or finding several free agents for either side of the ball 

 

Or keeping Bradberry. Oh great now I am mad again. God I wish they had’ve kept Bradberry then sign Bridge. 

[Terry Tjs]

One glaring weakness that Bridgewater has shown is his overreading of defenses. He continually lets the clock wind down making it much easier for teams to time their rush. Walker consistently snapped it earlier in the play clock.

That being said...Two interceptions in the red zone against a weak defense!!!!