So what's wrong with Bridgewater?

[Proudiddy]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Then why are you arguing against me saying it?

Lol, I'm not arguing against his ideal role.  I've been arguing against the reasons you presented as to why he's better suited in that role - durability issues leading to underperforming vs performing exactly how many expected him to after years of seeing his body of work.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Mage said:

Dude, if Bridgewater, a QUARTERBACK, is too fatigued to the point it isn’t letting him play well in Week 11, then that says more about him than anything else.

What a dog crap argument and excuse. You twist and turn everything. Yes, football players get fatigued, but it shouldn’t turn you into a bad player. You are just making an excuse for him.

Bridgewater isn’t a rookie. Fatigue is not an excuse. And if you think it is, then you never played sports. Fatigue is NEVER a good excuse. You think any HOF talent ever said “sorry I didn’t play well, I was tired”?

God I can’t believe this is even a debate. My mans is really blaming Teddy’s mediocre play on “fatigue” lol you do realize this is how Teddy plays... right? Like have you never seen him QB before this season? It has NOTHING to do with fatigue. Sorry man but this is just a really bad stance on your end

The fact that you again think this is an excuse tells me you absolutely don't get it.

Bridgewater looks bad, but he looked better early in the season. This is why. That's the argument. If you don't get that, I can't help you.

[Jmac]

He has an average skill set and won't get a team over the top. He excelled in N.O because he had a very good team surrounding him on both sides of the ball. High priced backup. 

Don't know what the hell they do at QB. I guess they could roll with T.B for one more season untill they figure something out for the future.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Proudiddy said:

Lol, I'm not arguing against his ideal role.  I've been arguing against the reasons you presented as to why he's better suited in that role - durability issues leading to underperforming vs performing exactly how many expected him to after years of seeing his body of work.

And again, I've invited you to go back and look at how people said he was performing early in the season.

Plenty of analysts thought he looked great. So did plenty of huddlers.

Some of us said "he looks good, but let's see how he progresses over the season".

This is how he's progressed.

[Proudiddy]

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

No poo. That guy is a bottom tier gunslinger and he is scared of competing against him???? Hell, at least with Trubisky you will randomly get a game where he hits on all cylinders and looks like an All Pro. You rarely ever get that out of Teddy. In 55 career games he has had 5 total games in which he has scored more than 2 TD's. Trubisky has 10 games with 2+ TD's in 46 career games. 

And we are ALL aware that Trubisky sucks. So what does that say about Teddy's career production?

Yup, which again, is my point.  This isn't about Teddy falling off because he isn't durable enough to be a starter.  He is who he always has been.  

[Mage]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Any player would tell you that all of them are beaten up by this time of year. Heck, Jerome Bettis used to start the season like a house on fire but be far less effective come playoff time. Why? This same reason. His body had taken a beating.

"Far less effective"?  I swear to God, you just be making things up on the fly lol

Jerome Bettis stats month-by-month:

September: 647 attempts, 2610 rushing yards, 4.0 YPC, 16 TDs

October: 953 attempts, 3777 rushing yards, 3.9 YPC, 30 TDs

November: 984 attempts, 3767 rushing yards, 3.8 YPC, 23 TDs

December: 816 attempts, 3197 rushing yards, 3.9 YPC, 17 TDs

The only time he was "far less effective" was in the postseason, and that had a lot more to do with the fact he was generally playing on below average Pittsburgh offenses against great defenses in the playoffs.  Otherwise, he was literally the same, low-efficiency, power-back between September and December.

But yeah... continue to tell me how Teddy is simply too "fatigued" to play well right now lol give me a break.

[Mage]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The fact that you again think this is an excuse tells me you absolutely don't get it.

Bridgewater looks bad, but he looked better early in the season. This is why. That's the argument. If you don't get that, I can't help you.

Dude, Bridgewater isn't fatigued.  He is the same QB as he was earlier in the season.  You just weren't seeing it.

Nobody here is saying anything different about Bridgewater now than we did early in the season.  He was missing guys deep then.  He was playing timid then.  The only difference is now we are playing better defenses.  But he's the same guy.  No offense but you have just done an awful job evaluating him if you really think he looks any different now than he did then.  All the things we are complaining about Teddy now, we were complaining about at the start of the season.  

Bridgewater is what he is.  And he's been that his entire career.  Mediocre.  It has nothing to do with fatigue.  

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Mage said:

"Far less effective"?  I swear to God, you just be making things up on the fly lol

Jerome Bettis stats month-by-month:

September: 647 attempts, 2610 rushing yards, 4.0 YPC, 16 TDs

October: 953 attempts, 3777 rushing yards, 3.9 YPC, 30 TDs

November: 984 attempts, 3767 rushing yards, 3.8 YPC, 23 TDs

December: 816 attempts, 3197 rushing yards, 3.9 YPC, 17 TDs

The only time he was "far less effective" was in the postseason, and that had a lot more to do with the fact he was generally playing on below average Pittsburgh offenses against great defenses in the playoffs.  Otherwise, he was literally the same, low-efficiency, power-back between September and December.

But yeah... continue to tell me how Teddy is simply too "fatigued" to play well right now lol give me a break.

I watched Bettis late in his Steelers career. During those years, they had a tendency to fade in the playoffs. Bettis fading was one of the reasons. It's why the Steelers eventually reduced him to a goal line back and went with somebody else as their bell cow.

Cause see, players wear out over time. That's part of football.

And as hard as this apparently might be to understand, some wear out a lot quicker than others.

[Proudiddy]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

And again, I've invited you to go back and look at how people said he was performing early in the season.

Plenty of analysts thought he looked great. So did plenty of huddlers.

Some of us said "he looks good, but let's see how he progresses over the season".

This is how he's progressed.

I'm aware of how the season has progressed for him.  But, again, it is entirely possible that he has been inconsistent like this over the duration of a full season throughout his entire career and it has nothing to do with his durability.  From what I've observed over watching him since college, the sum total of what we're seeing is what I've always seen from him - conservative decision making and game management that with a better team you can skirt by with, but with a lesser team that can't carry him, he begins to struggle.  The lesser the talent base of the team around him (especially defense), the more holes in his game become evident.

[pantherj]

I think someone ran the wrong route on the interception, and it might have been Mike Davis imo. Also Teddy had every right coming off an injury to be rusty. Missing a game and several practices for a QB who is new to this system is not going to produce great results. The offense as a whole looked discombobulated early and late in the game.

Teddy imo is a QB who is too good to be a backup, and not good enough to lead us to a SB win. If the SB is the goal, then we need a better QB.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, pantherj said:

I think someone ran the wrong route on the interception, and it might have been Mike Davis imo. Also Teddy had every right coming off an injury to be rusty. Missing a game and several practices for a QB who is new to this system is not going to produce great results. The offense as a whole looked discombobulated early and late in the game.

Teddy imo is a QB who is too good to be a backup, and not good enough to lead us to a SB win. If the SB is the goal, then we need a better QB.

I'd love to see him accept a backup role.

I don't know that he will.

[Mage]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's why the Steelers eventually reduced him to a goal line back and went with somebody else as their bell cow.

Dude, do you ever stop making things up?  Bettis averaged 20 carries a game between 1993-2001.  He wasn't phased out as their bell cow back until he was 30 years old.  In fact, he was having his 2nd best season in the NFL in 2001 (especially if he had played all 16 games) and had 20.5 attempts per game.

Bettis' numbers between September-December were the same.  He suffered because defenses in the playoffs are generally great (esp vs the run back then) and the Steelers offenses weren't that good at throwing the ball.  That's it.  Steelers lack of playoff success did not lead to them "reducing his role".  You are blatantly making things up to try and support your argument.  

[LinvilleGorge]

Are we comparing the fatigue of an aging battering ram RB to the fatigue of a non-running QB coming off of a week long layoff due to injury? LOL

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Mage said:

Dude, do you ever stop making things up?  Bettis averaged 20 carries a game between 1993-2001.  He wasn't phased out as their bell cow back until he was 30 years old.  In fact, he was having his 2nd best season in the NFL in 2001 (especially if he had played all 16 games) and had 20.5 attempts per game.

You think all the wear and tear from his NFL years didn't hit him until all at once when he was 30?

Yeah...sure 

Bettis was actually part of a story on Fox Sports a few years before he retired that showed him on his off days. He was barely able to move around the day after a game.

Football players take a pounding period that pounding takes a toll. Some are better equipped to handle it than others.

That's as simple as I can explain it. Again, if you don't get it...