Brown among top rookies

[DaveThePanther2008]

All 2009 pre draft we heard our glaring need was DE/DT. We got a #1 in the second round. Sure we gave up or 2010 #1 pick and it stings. Brown if I recall was only a junior and had another year in college had he wanted it. Wonder how excited everyone would be if we took Brown in 2010 1st round? There is no guarantee that we would take a QB with the 1st pick. The only difference is we got him a year early. A year to develop. If we lose Peppers this offseason then the gamble will pay off. It was a gutsy move and this offseason will tell.

We have a ton of second guessers but I wonder how many of you would have had the balls to pull it off. Brown will be a star in this league.

Go Panthers

[Delhommey]

Let's not forget we got Brown AND Goodson for that pick. This story's not over.

[jramsey4]

I'll be damned both guys you mentions (Roy Miller and Micheal Johnson) I wanted in the draft. I also wanted TJ Lang that has started multiple postions this year on the Packers and is doing well. http://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/the-nfl-draft/11174-jramsey4s-mock.html

[mmmbeans]

I don't understand why they didn't draft Michael Johnson instead of Brown. While Brown is a tough player, he's a bit of a runt to be playing DE, especially on a team which struggles against the run. Johnson on the other hand is very athletic and really reminded me of Peppers heading into the draft. Instead of someone molded like Peppers, who could potentially be instructed by and learn technique from the pro-bowler, we picked up Brown who doesn't really fit in to what we need in a 4-3 system.

non-stop motor.

[mmmbeans]

In no way supercedes giving away our 2010 #1 pick in one of the deepest drafts in a long time.

San Fransisco is laughing all the way to the bank.

Hurney=Fail.

If it was a shallow draft your argument would be better.

[Delhommey]

If it was a shallow draft your argument would be better.

This. Not to mention I can't see a sure fire top 10 QB at this time.

With the injuries to Ponder and Bradford, 2011 looks to be the better QB draft in the long run.

[klumme]

I also wanted TJ Lang that has started multiple postions this year on the Packers and is doing well. http://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/the-nfl-draft/11174-jramsey4s-mock.html

He have played pretty shitty the times I have been seeing him. In very few snaps he have allowed 5 sacks and 6 QB hurries.

In fact he have allowed either a sack or a pressure on every 16 snap.. To compare Otah gives a sack or a pressure on every 91 snap:)

[unicar15]

Don't look now, but Brown has 11 tackles, one sack, and a pair of forced fumbles. That may not seem like much, but only two defensive linemen from his rookie class are doing better. Michael Johnson has 13 tackles and a sack for the Bengals, and Roy Miller has 21 tackles and two sacks for the Bucs. Neither have the competition for playing time that Brown does either.

Ever stop to think that maybe Hurney knows what he's doing?

We have a top 5 defense, a top 5 OL, the best running attack in football, and we are 4-5. Ever stop to think that Hurney probably should have thought about QB?

[Kevin Greene]

Let's not forget we got Brown AND Goodson for that pick. This story's not over.

Sure, they might both end up in the HOF. Or not. But given my druthers, I'd rather have this years 1st round pick.

[thefuzz]

I hear ya.

However a first round pick this year would be more valueable....IMO.

[jramsey4]

He have played pretty shitty the times I have been seeing him. In very few snaps he have allowed 5 sacks and 6 QB hurries.

In fact he have allowed either a sack or a pressure on every 16 snap.. To compare Otah gives a sack or a pressure on every 91 snap:)

Good job there of comparing a 4th rounder playing on a shitty line to a 1st rounder playing on an all-pro line (and in his second year). He is a Rookie and he played against lower level competition in college it will take him time to develop to the speed of the NFL. He is a hell of athlete that they have moved around all over there line which is why I wanted him in the 1st place he has tremendous versaltility. I have read that there front office believes he is there future at LT. BTW where on Earth did you go to school?

[chbright]

We have a top 5 defense, a top 5 OL, the best running attack in football, and we are 4-5. Ever stop to think that Hurney probably should have thought about QB?

we could have traded for culter or sanchez! they sure wouldnt turn the ball over like jake............ wait.........:willy_nilly:

the whole qb youth movement failed 2 years ago with david carr. we tried to get a qb, we got a shell shocked, glove wearing, carpet bagger.he was here for the money not to play.

what is more disturbing, the patchwork interior line is still a peice of poo. they may have been screwing around with the qb of the future poo for awhile now, but they let the interior line depth go to total poo. kemo went down and anyone including a fb can run on us.

brown helps the pass rush for sure, but dammit i wanted that 1st rounder to patch up the interior line. charles johnson and brayton can hold the fort down on the ends if peppers went down without brown here, but without kemo (or hell lewis) we had zero depth at dt. now this year is loaded at DT and we dont have a 1st rounder. suh was never gona happen unless he left last year, but mccoy (stretch), jones, austin (if he comes out), and cody might have been possible.

i like brown, but i still question if the cost to get a good DE this year is worth passing up on the DTs in the upcoming draft.

EDIT: and yes i understand that DT dont develope as quickly as DE. generally it takes a year or 2. but we are putting of the DT stuff just like the QB. for a physical minded team, we have a soft interior line that has been getting gashed way to often.

[Sloth]

Let's not forget we got Brown AND Goodson for that pick. This story's not over.

This.

[Cyberjag]

We have a top 5 defense, a top 5 OL, the best running attack in football, and we are 4-5. Ever stop to think that Hurney probably should have thought about QB?

Going into preseason, we had Jake Delhomme, Josh McCown, and Matt Moore. Delhomme was coming off a great 2008 season, with a meltdown in the playoffs that was arguably just as much about playcalling as anything. McCown has good starting experience, and Moore was getting another chance at being our future QB. We also added Cantwell to the roster.

Given that we had no chance to draft a QB high, and that Cutler was way too expensive given our situation with Peppers, what would you have Hurney do? It's not like he can go to the QB store and get a new one on a whim, even QBs at Jake's level are hard to find.