Darnold's QBR was higher than Tannehill's

[iamhubby1]

4 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

Cam was a good QB for the most part during his time here. Jake was above average to fairly good for a while, Steve was average to maybe above average, and all the others were meh at best. That's not downplaying them either. It's giving an honest assessment that you don't agree with.

 

 

I gave you Cam, Jake, and Steve, and you pood all over them. You said, "There are some ok to a few good years in their stats, but not a lot."

 

Now, you say this, "Cam was a good QB for the most part during his time here. Jake was above average to fairly good for a while, Steve was average to maybe above average,"

 

1. Cam revolutionized the way teams view the QB position.

2. Jake was good until Tommy Jone showed up

3. Buerlein was really good until Seifert showed up.

 

Between the 3 of them, that is basically 18 of our 26 years. I would say we have done pretty goodly for ourselves for the most part. 

[SBBlue]

33 minutes ago, Madwolf said:

I think Darnold will do okay for the first half of the season. I think the last stretch is what will really test him, and the fan bases loyalty to the guy.

You could really argue that from the New England game on in week 9, the Panthers face a fairly tough test through the air each week outside of the Falcons in week 14.

Yes, and it is really a good schedule  It gives all the new pieces time to gel and have a chance for early successes.  Hopefully Darnold continues his habit of finishing stronger later in the season.

[jayboogieman]

30 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

I gave you Cam, Jake, and Steve, and you pood all over them. You said, "There are some ok to a few good years in their stats, but not a lot."

 

Now, you say this, "Cam was a good QB for the most part during his time here. Jake was above average to fairly good for a while, Steve was average to maybe above average,"

 

1. Cam revolutionized the way teams view the QB position.

2. Jake was good until Tommy Jone showed up

3. Buerlein was really good until Seifert showed up.

 

Between the 3 of them, that is basically 18 of our 26 years. I would say we have done pretty goodly for ourselves for the most part. 

A few good years between and one being mostly good, one mostly above average, and one average is about the same thing because all that matters is 7 winning seasons with zero back to back winning seasons out of all their years here.

Cam did not revolutionize the way teams view QBs. Warren Moon, Steve Young, Steve McNair, and John Elway all played similar styles years before Cam. So does Ben R in Pittsburgh.

Not a ton of yards in through the air, not a ton of TDs, and a pedestrian completion percentage from all three. Not too good. But once again, the only thing that matters is 7 winning seasons out of those 18 years. That's not pretty good either. Have a good night.

Edited June 8, 2021 by jayboogieman

[iamhubby1]

2 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

A few good years between and one being mostly good, one mostly above average, and one average is about the same thing because all that matters is 7 winning seasons with zero back to back winning seasons out of all their years here.

Cam did not revolutionize the way teams view QBs. Warren Moon, Steve Young, Steve McNair, and John Elway all played similar styles years before Cam. So does Ben R in Pittsburgh.

Not a ton of yards in through the air, not a ton of TDs, and a pedestrian completion percentage from all three. Not too good. But once again, the only thing that matters is 7 winning seasons out of those 18 years. That's not pretty good either. Have a good night.

 

Ok, I'm done. You are never going to give ANY Panther QB their due. You probably feel the same way about all other players as well.

 

It really is too bad you can't see what you are missing. Cuz it is some amazing stuff.

 

But hey, you can hang your hat on our overall record.

[frankw]

Look Cam was not the most prolific passer and most unbiased fans will agree. In his prime he could sling it no problem but what made him an intimidating force were his rushing abilities which were and still are in very rare company historically especially in the red zone. He has the most rushing touchdowns in league history and he is second all time in rushing yards. At his best the man was a human cheat code and he absolutely changed the position and the way teams look at dynamic ability now. Because Cam was not the slam dunk first overall pick in the minds of quite a few analysts and coaches ten years ago. If you ask any of these younger quarterbacks now who also have similar ability they will tell you the impact Newton had on how they wanted to play in college and the pros.

[jayboogieman]

14 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Ok, I'm done. You are never going to give ANY Panther QB their due. You probably feel the same way about all other players as well.

 

It really is too bad you can't see what you are missing. Cuz it is some amazing stuff.

 

But hey, you can hang your hat on our overall record.

I give them their due when they earn it.

As for missing out, is losing fun? It's hard to be pumped up for a big play when the team loses the game.

[iamhubby1]

4 minutes ago, frankw said:

Look Cam was not the most prolific passer and most unbiased fans will agree. In his prime he could sling it no problem but what made him an intimidating force were his rushing abilities which were and still are in very rare company historically especially in the red zone. He has the most rushing touchdowns in league history and he is second all time in rushing yards. At his best the man was a human cheat code and he absolutely changed the position and the way teams look at dynamic ability now. Because Cam was not the slam dunk first overall pick in the minds of quite a few analysts and coaches ten years ago. If you ask any of these younger quarterbacks now who also have similar ability they will tell you the impact Newton had on how they wanted to play in college and the pros.

 

Yessir, Cam defiantly changed how coaches view the QB position. And he was ours. Nobody will ever be able to take that away from us!!!!!

[iamhubby1]

15 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

I give them their due when they earn it.

As for missing out, is losing fun? It's hard to be pumped up for a big play when the team loses the game.

 

It's football. Not life or death. Enjoy it, enjoy the big plays, enjoy the anticipation for the coming thing. Just enjoy the experience. After all. It's only entertainment.

 

If you get upset over every loss. After 26 years, you'd have an ulcer. Which could explain why so many folks seem, a tad....edgy.

 

If you find yourself upset over a loss, you may be taking it a tad too cereal. Life is tough enough. Losing a football game barely moves the needle.

 

I can enjoy the game for what it is. And walk away to get on with my life. Easy peasy.

 

Oh, and the Huddle is the bomb.

Edited June 8, 2021 by iamhubby1

[SBBlue]

 

 

[CRA]

55 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

A few good years between and one being mostly good, one mostly above average, and one average is about the same thing because all that matters is 7 winning seasons with zero back to back winning seasons out of all their years here.

Cam did not revolutionize the way teams view QBs. Warren Moon, Steve Young, Steve McNair, and John Elway all played similar styles years before Cam. So does Ben R in Pittsburgh.

Not a ton of yards in through the air, not a ton of TDs, and a pedestrian completion percentage from all three. Not too good. But once again, the only thing that matters is 7 winning seasons out of those 18 years. That's not pretty good either. Have a good night.

What would be preferred in a 20 year window though….

2 Super Bowl appearances…..or none and more consistent regular season records where we stacked consecutive winning seasons sporadically?   

Cam was a unicorn at the QB spot.  There simply was Cam.   No one did or has played from the QB spot like Cam IMO.   There isn’t a NFL comp. 

[SBBlue]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

What would be preferred in a 20 year window though….

2 Super Bowl appearances…..or none and more consistent regular season records where we stacked consecutive winning seasons sporadically?   

Cam was a unicorn at the QB spot.  There simply was Cam.   No one did or has played from the QB spot like Cam IMO.   There isn’t a NFL comp. 

 

 

[CRA]

Only RB drafted in the first round in 2011 was Mark Ingram.  Has played every season.  A bruising runner.   In his career, he has tallied 367 first downs on the ground. 

That is why Cam will always be a unicorn.   Cam is at 400+.  No QB has ever presented the threat Cam did for opposing DCs.  

*thats along with his NFL record TD benchmark.   Greatest short yardage weapon to ever play the game.   Because he also had the arm to make any throw in the book while threatening to truck any defender in the game (another feat no one has ever threatened opponents with).

[iamhubby1]

30 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

 

 

 

That was fun. THANKS

[iamhubby1]

15 minutes ago, CRA said:

Only RB drafted in the first round in 2011 was Mark Ingram.  Has played every season.  A bruising runner.   In his career, he has tallied 367 first downs on the ground. 

That is why Cam will always be a unicorn.   Cam is at 400+.  No QB has ever presented the threat Cam did for opposing DCs.  

 

According to @jayboogieman "Cam was a good QB for the most part during his time here." We can't even get our own fans to appreciate what Cam brought to the table.