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Using Some of That 24M**


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8 hours ago, Michael G said:

I doubt we spend any of that money on anyone that's available now. IMO our D-line is pretty set (Jones, Brown, Roy, Nixon with Fox and Yetur totatin inside at times and Yetur, Burns, Haynes, Reddick and sometimes Fox and MIller on the edge).

I think if anyone of note is released during roster cut-downs we may pull the trigger on some more O-line help or a safety. WE will definitely shuffle a few players on the bottom of the deph chart probably. We shall see.

People are forgetting about Jones. Very quiet and underrated signing. 

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24 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Oh noes!! Right?

 

On a serious note. Not sure many on here are going to jump on that one. But who knows. Seems to have issues.

Not really. He hasn't been healthy since he's gotten to the league. If he can stay healthy though he is a beast. Right now I have heard Sam Franklin took all the first team reps at mini camp. He shows a lot of potential. Still wouldn't mind adding more of a ballhawk though. 

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1 minute ago, Jared Patterson said:

Not really. He hasn't been healthy since he's gotten to the league. If he can stay healthy though he is a beast. Right now I have heard Sam Franklin took all the first team reps at mini camp. He shows a lot of potential. Still wouldn't mind adding more of a ballhawk though. 

 

About those injuries. I was trying to be kind. I would prefer we not waste time on him. 

 

I'm like a lot of Huddlerz where it comes to S. We have Chinn, and question marks. Finding a ball hawking S would be nice. Not sure how we can get that done this year. I would hate to put money into almost any position this year. Save that Cap, and let's go to battle.

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16 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

About those injuries. I was trying to be kind. I would prefer we not waste time on him. 

 

I'm like a lot of Huddlerz where it comes to S. We have Chinn, and question marks. Finding a ball hawking S would be nice. Not sure how we can get that done this year. I would hate to put money into almost any position this year. Save that Cap, and let's go to battle.

Agreed. Wouldn't mind if one came available though, but that's the only position I would add if the right one came available. 

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11 minutes ago, Jared Patterson said:

Agreed. Wouldn't mind if one came available though, but that's the only position I would add if the right one came available. 

 

I know we still have some issues. And, we do have some money. It's like, yes, I want that guy. Or, yes, I like that guy, too bad we have to be responsible. Damm, I hate being responsible. 

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5 hours ago, SBBlue said:

There's a way to go before the season, we don't know who will become available.  All I'm saying is, we shouldn't rule out anyone because we're not SB bound.

No you weren't.  All we would have is more cap space even after your 2020 hindsight. Indications are not guarantees.  Some surprise, some disappoint.  Some do what you expect.  Some get injured.

Its real easy in hindsight to point out where we wasted cash. 

So please demonstration your prescience. 

List every player we will waste cash on this year.  I'll save the thread.  We all know some are going to disappoint or get injured, please tell us exactly who they are so we can get word to Rhule. 

 

So you know for sure that none of them will get injured this year like Short who you complain "wasted" our money?

 

What?

KC did their  Superbowl with Cam Erving starting across the Oline, including games at LT.  He was horrible on winless Browns team when they traded for him.  

The Bucs picked up Fournette after he was WAIVED.   Jags GM:  "(We) exhausted all trade possibilities, weren't able to get anything there ... a fifth, a sixth — anything."

Tom is still bitching that teams passed on him.

It easy to say that the Bucs were just a couple of pieces away from a SB now in hindsight.  

It wasn't that easy during the season when they couldn't even manage to win the division.

We should play to win.  I don't think Rhule is in the hot seat, but I want him to coach like it.

 

Sometimes you just argue to argue. Here’s my counterpoints:

1. We’ll duh, we should keep our options open. That has nothing to do with what we are saying in this case. If you truly can’t say which player would help us win enough games to be a contender then we are correct that we shouldn’t waste money and you are just throwing out a generic statement that’s not helpful.

2. I was 100% correct, regardless of you trying to act like we can’t make educated guesses because who knows what will happen. We’d have Moton extended with that $70M and have all the cap room we have for the next 3 years and not have to spend a dime of it on Moton. We’d also have another 3rd round pick for Bradberry and likely would have had the 3rd pick and maybe an extra 1st/3rd from SF.

3. Feel free to point out what I proposed that was wrong without doing what I mention below, moving the goal posts. I don’t know if you weren’t around but I laid out my 2020 off-season plan in multiple threads. If you want to look it up, it shouldn’t be hard to find. @LinvilleGorge Feel free to back me up here that none of what I’m saying about wanting to save all the cap and comp picks in 2020 is hindsight. Heck, people even got tired of me saying I told you so about Short last year.

4. It is fuging laughable man that you are trying to compare paying a 30+ year old Short, who missed 13 games in 2019 and wasn’t a long term option, to extending DJ and Burns. Yes, technically speaking they could get hurt but it’s was way more likely that Short in 2020 would continue his mediocre play and get hurt. He did both and we wasted $13M just like I shouted from the rooftop that we would. Still, that has nothing to do with wanting to extend young talent players instead of wasting money on guys like Short.

4. SMH, KC paid a lot of money for Clark and Mathieu. TB paid a lot of money for Brady. They were their marquee FA acquisitions where they paid a lot of money. KC just did it again trading for and paying Brown. That’s what I was talking about. Save the cap now so when we can compete we can after a big time FA instead of wasting money on players sitting on the couch in July.

By the way, what do Fournette and Erving have to do with what I said? Erving was a backup for KC, they didn’t spend a lot on him. In case you forgot, Erik Fisher was KC’s starting LT. Erving only played because Fisher got hurt, but still he’s not remotely relevant to KC splurging on Mathieu and Clark to be starters.

Also, a lot of people put Tampa as a contender when they got Brady (and Gronk). Go look at our 7-8-1 2014 season and you’ll see a lot of similarities to Tampa’s 2019. Tampa was 5-1 in the second half before losing their last two by 3 and in OT. In those two games, they turned the ball over 8 times. Winston was the difference between them being in the playoffs and being 7-9. Brady came in and made them better at their biggest weak spot.

It’s easy to just say players can get injured and anything could happen and there’s no way to be sure, but that’s a cop out. Sure, all options should be looked at but take a chance and predict stuff. I’m more than willing to say that there’s no one on the couch today that can help our rebuild and is worth making it harder to keep our core of Burns, DJ, Brown and Chinn. Feel free again to tell us who we should sign if you are asking me my opinion because I have already stated mine a lot.

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1 hour ago, Wolfcop said:

Anyone we add at this point is a 1-year rental who will not impact the cap beyond this year. 

You do know that any cap we don’t spend will roll over to next year, right? If we save that $24M, that means we have an extra $24M to spend on top of whatever the 2022 final cap value is. So, if the cap is set at say $205M, our 2022 cap would actually be $229M (extra cap can continue to rollover again). Someone who spends their entire cap in 2021 would only have $205M in 2022 cap space. 

Any more 1 year rentals reduce our 2022 cap by exactly whatever they make, so they have a direct impact beyond this year.

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1 hour ago, Wolfcop said:

Anyone we add at this point is a 1-year rental who will not impact the cap beyond this year. 

 

Yes, in theory that is true. However, if the right player, in the right cicumstances were to become available? Then maybe we make a run at him. But yeah, let's not mess up this years Cap unnecessarily. Basically, the stars would have to align perfectly for us to spend bigish type money this year.

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8 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Erving was a backup for KC, they didn’t spend a lot on him. In case you forgot, Erik Fisher was KC’s starting LT. Erving only played because Fisher got hurt, 

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He started at guard the first 13 games in their SB run of 2018 until he was injured.

 

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Sure, all options should be looked at but take a chance and predict stuff.

I agree

 

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Feel free again to tell us who we should sign if you are asking me my opinion because I have already stated mine a lot.

And feel free to tell me who we should cut to reduce the "waste".

My point was adding talent for this season is fine.  

As for the arguing, you quoted me.  

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20 hours ago, stbugs said:

I hope we don’t. That’s a terrible list of players to blow $17M on this year. We aren’t contending for a title so let’s stop talking about throwing away a bunch of cap space on one year deals for depth. If Dix was great, he’d have a deal in place so unless he’s not bad and playing at a minimum contract, no thanks.

This should have been our mantra last year when Tepper preached patience with the process. If the guys we sign aren’t possibly part of the next 3+ years like an Okung or Short, then we have no business wasting money on them, surely not $17M worth. You can rollover unused cap into the next year and we’ve got DJ and Burns coming up soon.  No, just no.

The whole we have to save space and not pick who we want is belied by NO who spends every year and fits everything under the cap. And because these contracts are transparent it isn't like everyone else couldn't do the same. Truth is we can bring in who we want and still have plenty for next year. I love how everyone acts like it was their money instead of Tepper who is a billionaire.

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13 hours ago, stbugs said:

You do know that any cap we don’t spend will roll over to next year, right? If we save that $24M, that means we have an extra $24M to spend on top of whatever the 2022 final cap value is. So, if the cap is set at say $205M, our 2022 cap would actually be $229M (extra cap can continue to rollover again). Someone who spends their entire cap in 2021 would only have $205M in 2022 cap space. 

Any more 1 year rentals reduce our 2022 cap by exactly whatever they make, so they have a direct impact beyond this year.

Agreed, but what if a FS that we liked became available? Wouldn't we just cut Burris and the money would offset?

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11 minutes ago, Jared Patterson said:

Agreed, but what if a FS that we liked became available? Wouldn't we just cut Burris and the money would offset?

 

What if that FS wants more money than what Burris makes? What if he wants way more that what Burris makes? 

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