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Look for big moves this offseason in free agency. Samir will be dishing out a lot of voided year contracts... and thats fine.

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9 minutes ago, thunderraiden said:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/03/02/business-of-football-understanding-the-salary-cap-dead-money

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/carolina-panthers/
Team Cap Space: $13,653,336 on January 10th, 2021.

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-informs-clubs-2022-salary-cap-projected-to-be-208-2-million#:~:text=The NFL's salary cap for,NFL Players Association in May.


Team Cap Space in 2022 based on top 51 contracts: Top 51: $179,183,726. Team Cap Space: $27,352,392

On March 16th the NFL 2022 League year will begin and our cap space of $13,650,000 will rollover to 2022. I literally said this in my OP so either you have reading comprehension issues or you need to learn to google.

The 13M is already included n the 2022 cap number. Then you roll it over again. I don’t need to read articles to know any of this. 

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The 13M is already included n the 2022 cap number. Then you roll it over again. I don’t need to read articles to know any of this. 

Are you dumb, stupid, or slow? The league year isn't over yet for any cap to be carried over WOW

Like, can you not read math either? Simple math shows you its not included and I even included it my post for you.

I bet you go around telling folks the vaccine doesn't work because, like Trump said, the US education system failed to teach you math.

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Are you dumb, stupid, or slow? The league year isn't over yet for any cap to be carried over WOW

Like, can you not read math either? Simple math shows you its not included and I even included it my post for you.

I bet you go around telling folks the vaccine doesn't work because, like Trump said, the US education system failed to teach you math.

And included it twice you were so proud. 
 

Why is Sportrac saying around 28-29M as well. Who, besides you, is claiming there is some magic 13M. It’s right there below 

link below.

 

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And included it twice you were so proud. 
 

Why is Sportrac saying around 28-29M as well. Who, besides you, is claiming there is some magic 13M. It’s right there below

 

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2022 Cap Totals

CAP TYPE BASE SALARY SIGNING BONUS ROSTER BONUS OPTION BONUS WORKOUT BONUS RESTRUC. BONUS INCENTIVES CAP TOTAL
2022 NFL Salary Cap $208,200,000
2021 Rollover Cap $4,745,701
Adjustment $0
Adjusted Salary Cap $212,945,701
All Contracts $116,138,780 $34,467,992 $11,406,977 - $1,000,000 $6,819,499 - $176,985,914
Top 51 Contracts $116,138,780 $34,467,992 $11,406,977 - $1,000,000 $6,819,499 - $176,985,914
Dead Money - $7,058,713 - - - - - $7,058,713
Total (All) $116,138,780 $41,526,705 $11,406,977 - $1,000,000 $6,819,499 - $184,044,627
Total (w/Top 51) $116,138,780 $41,526,705 $11,406,977 - $1,000,000 $6,819,499 - $184,044,627
Cap Space (w/All) $28,901,074
Cap Space (w/Top 51) $28,901,074
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They also will roll over that $13.7 million from 2021 into 2022 to give them $41 Million in cap space before filling up their roster, which at best will leave us with $29.2 Million in Cap space.

LOL YOU PROVED ME RIGHT HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA $41,526,705 is the 41 million number before effective cap you moron. 


BAHAHA The $28.9 million number is after the effective cap if all remaining players which we haven't signed were on vet min contracts.

This is hilarious, gawd damn you're dumb.

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I don't get the obsession with cap space. We're not contending and we're not 2 or 3 free agents away from contending. We should be focusing on accumulating draft picks and setting up for the future. In that context, we have more cap space than we need. Restructuring a bunch of contracts and cutting players, especially starters, to create more cap dollars doesn't make a ton of sense. We'll just end up with more holes, feel the impulse to fill those holes by signing past their prime vets whose teams didn't think they were worth keeping, and end up no better off than we are now, but with more dead cap tagged onto the future.

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LOL YOU PROVED ME RIGHT HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA $41,526,705 is the 41 million number before effective cap you moron. 


BAHAHA The $28.9 million number is after the effective cap if all remaining players which we haven't signed were on vet min contracts.

This is hilarious, gawd damn you're dumb.

Show me this effective cap space number on the link I posted.  Or yours. This is very simple. 
 

208M( like every one) 

4.7 rollover. 
 

212.7M total

177M(top 51)

 7M. 
 

184M total

 

Leaves 28 like Both sites say. But it’s you who’s right. 

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First, Samir wasnt here for KK, CMC, and Tre Boston's contract.... so you cant blame him for those contract.

Second, that is short term cap and zero impact on following seasons due to strcuture of the contract for RA. We have an out post 2022, and like stated before if traded next year, we gain 15mil back in cap. 

Sure, if they previous FO didnt fug the cap, we could have gone out and bought lineman. This current staff inherited almost 50million of dead cap last year.....

Samir was hired 2 weeks after Rhule .  He’s responsible for every move Matt’s made. He handed KK 13M to play a couple games when they could have gotten rid of him. 
 

   Boston signed around the same time as CMC. Which Samir was on on both. Boston got cut and they still owe dead cap. Like I said, 1/9.5M for a player who barely made that much for the rest of his career..combined. 
 

You owe 20M to a WR who was awful. One who could be gone for free. So he has to improve on that suckage. Or it’s just wasted money. Just like dead cap. 
 

This doesn’t include Okung(13M for 6 games), Weatherly 1/8M. Erving, Elflein, Roberts, Apple. 
 

which ones didn’t waste money? 

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Samir was hired 2 weeks after Rhule .  He’s responsible for every move Matt’s made. He handed KK 13M to play a couple games when they could have gotten rid of him. 
 

   Boston signed around the same time as CMC. Which Samir was on on both. Boston got cut and they still owe dead cap. Like I said, 1/9.5M for a player who barely made that much for the rest of his career..combined. 
 

You owe 20M to a WR who was awful. One who could be gone for free. So he has to improve on that suckage. Or it’s just wasted money. Just like dead cap. 
 

This doesn’t include Okung(13M for 6 games), Weatherly 1/8M. Erving, Elflein, Roberts, Apple. 
 

which ones didn’t waste money? 

KK short was restrcutured before Samir was here. Samir didnt take over cap duties full time until June 2020 (Not in on the CMC deal or Boston, those were MH).  During Tepper's interview on after he hired Samir (and Pat Stewart), he said that he wants Samir and PAt to learn the current oeprating model before jumping in and making any changes. They officially started to take on their role at the begining of the 2020 season. 

 

We dont owe RA 20 million, that is just false. We already paid the majority of his signing bonus. 

The players chosen to be signed are not Samir's responsibiltiies, he is the one that makes the financials work. Stop trolling dude.

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