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Jones: Tepper now looking for "a young offensive mind"

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17 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Johnson (Lions) is a kid from the Carolinas whose childhood / high school years coincided with some good Panther seasons. He's also got all kinds of connections to the area and some to the team, including having worked with Luke Kuechly in college.

It wouldn't surprise me if he really wanted the job here and had his agent contact us about it.

I haven't learned about him enough and I am waiting for the season to finish before I look too seriously. He looks promising and those ties might be huge in the future. 

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1 minute ago, Waldo said:

I haven't learned about him enough and I am waiting for the season to finish before I look too seriously. He looks promising and those ties might be huge in the future. 

First thing he'll need to do is bounce back from their last game.

I prefer guys with more experience, but among the "young offensive minds" set, he and Steichen stand out to me.

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7 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I agree. They have to keep all units of the team up and also work with an Owner and GM. Doresy feels like a Wilks type coach to me, good in a system and followed a better coach who set up everything for them. I don't believe they can build it themselves. Coordinators are just the most likely place to find a new HC unless you are looking in school which shouldn't be an option for us this time. We do need someone that can set up and run (directly or indirectly) an effective offense. 

A Daboll type is what I want us to find. A really good offensive mind at OC but also prime HC material matched with a DC who would be a HC if it was the league from 20 years ago. Dude is competing in year one before he clears the cap mess up. That is impressive as hell to me. 

 

How do you define who is a "good offensive mind at OC but also prime HC material"? And would this be how you were describing Daboll if, say, he started 0-2 rather than 2-0 because of a missed Titans FG in Week 1 and a dropped Luvu pick 6 in Week 2?

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

First thing he'll need to do is bounce back from their last game.

I prefer guys with more experience, but among the "young offensive minds" set, he and Steichen stand out to me.

None of the guys with more experience looks great for us. Show me one of the D guys that is fluent in offensive competency and I will eat those words sir. 

McD is a beast but having Dorsey run the show is a step down from Daboll and he is going to be dealing with that his entire HC career and I could see it getting worse when Dorsey is hired away from him. That is just an NFL trend but an important one we are going to have to deal with also. I don't even care if the new HC comes from a winning team but a team that fought hard and his unit over achieved while showing strong strategic awareness in their coaching.

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15 minutes ago, UNCrules2187 said:

How do you define who is a "good offensive mind at OC but also prime HC material"? And would this be how you were describing Daboll if, say, he started 0-2 rather than 2-0 because of a missed Titans FG in Week 1 and a dropped Luvu pick 6 in Week 2?

If he was 0-2 with the team performing the same way I would think the same thing about him. I still think they hit a wall this year and that is fine. He is coaching up a bad O way beyond what was expected and he brought in a really good DC who is doing the same on that side. 

The jump to HC is a lot like the jump into the NFL for QBs coming out of school. I'm not sure I can define either one correctly but only vaguely which would be why it is always so hit or miss. Making the most of what you have, track record of building up elsewhere relevantly, not having your flaws covered by a system built by others and locked onto where the NFL is headed today and not yesterday sounds like great starting points. 

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10 minutes ago, Waldo said:

If he was 0-2 with the team performing the same way I would think the same thing about him. I still think they hit a wall this year and that is fine. He is coaching up a bad O way beyond what was expected and he brought in a really good DC who is doing the same on that side. 

The jump to HC is a lot like the jump into the NFL for QBs coming out of school. I'm not sure I can define either one correctly but only vaguely which would be why it is always so hit or miss. Making the most of what you have, track record of building up elsewhere relevantly, not having your flaws covered by a system built by others and locked onto where the NFL is headed today and not yesterday sounds like great starting points. 

It sounds like you want someone who's on the offensive side of the ball but has spent multiple years as an OC for different franchises. Honestly the only guy I can think of that fits that mold is Greg Roman. 4 years as OC at SF, 1 year as OC in Buffalo, in his 4th year as OC in Baltimore.

I wouldn't necessarily be against that sort of hire, but I also wouldn't be impressed or thrilled with it.

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1 minute ago, UNCrules2187 said:

It sounds like you want someone who's on the offensive side of the ball but has spent multiple years as an OC for different franchises. Honestly the only guy I can think of that fits that mold is Greg Roman. 4 years as OC at SF, 1 year as OC in Buffalo, in his 4th year as OC in Baltimore.

I wouldn't necessarily be against that sort of hire, but I also wouldn't be impressed or thrilled with it.

I think experience is where he have to step away from ideal and take a shot on a younger and less established coach. The interview process is going to be huge and also one we are not set up for well...again. 

Chances are we take a new HC that had less than desirable OC experience or we go with a stud DC who is going to have issues keeping the O relevant like our past defensive minded coaches. 

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3 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I think experience is where he have to step away from ideal and take a shot on a younger and less established coach. The interview process is going to be huge and also one we are not set up for well...again. 

Chances are we take a new HC that had less than desirable OC experience or we go with a stud DC who is going to have issues keeping the O relevant like our past defensive minded coaches. 

I think the issue is all the "hot" offensive minded coaches are young and relatively inexperienced. I would be fine with any one of Waldron, Dorsey, Steichen, or Ben Johnson, but I also understand all of these guys relatively inexperienced and no guarantee to pan out.

Offensive minds that are experienced are the aforementioned Roman, Eric Bieniemy, or a guy like Bill O'Brien who's currently OC at Alabama (and I don't think Tepper is reaching into the college ranks even if it's for a former HC).  

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2 minutes ago, UNCrules2187 said:

I think the issue is all the "hot" offensive minded coaches are young and relatively inexperienced. I would be fine with any one of Waldron, Dorsey, Steichen, or Ben Johnson, but I also understand all of these guys relatively inexperienced and no guarantee to pan out.

Offensive minds that are experienced are the aforementioned Roman, Eric Bieniemy, or a guy like Bill O'Brien who's currently OC at Alabama (and I don't think Tepper is reaching into the college ranks even if it's for a former HC).  

I don't like any of the second paragraph options, like at all. 

Dorsey didn't build that system and he is an obvious step back from Daboll, feels a lot like Wilks to me. I'm not sold on Waldron either. He is doing good things, I like that they hired him from the Rams but I am not sold on his year yet. The other 2 are very interesting but like I said above I am waiting for the year to get a lot closer to over before we can have a more complete discussion on their years.

Defiantly liking the first group and want nothing to do with the second group. I like your effort and input. What would you like to see for us moving forward?

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