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"Fire Sale" not happening


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Just now, TheCasillas said:

no. Bc you can obtain the #1 without the dead cap. What a silly statement,  haha.

CMC and the D can fug around and win you a couple of games though.  Players don't tank.  If you put them on the field they are going to play. 

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1 minute ago, CRA said:

CMC and the D can fug around and win you a couple of games though.  Players don't tank.  If you put them on the field they are going to play. 

Thats no reason to trade CMC for dirt and eat dead cap. There is no rationale in that decision. If its a blwon season, then they would reduce CMC touches... and I have yet to see the defense win us a game with this offense we are fielding over the last 3 years.

 

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4 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Thats no reason to trade CMC for dirt and eat dead cap. There is no rationale in that decision. If its a blwon season, then they would reduce CMC touches... and I have yet to see the defense win us a game with this offense we are fielding over the last 3 years.

 

You trade CMC to guarantee the first overall and pick up another first round pick (and more) for the next staff. 

You keep CMC, you might mess around and lose the top overall pick...and then you are just left with a RB that will be too old after the upcoming rebuild is ready to do something.   And you have an incoming staff that doesn't have a lot of draft capital. 

and I assume that logic is why they are reportedly in talks as we speak. 

did they reduce CMC's touches last week? That game was probably called more to injure CMC than anyone that he has ever played here.  Because it's the only game the illusion of the forward pass was essentially removed.  These coaches aren't going to here.  And it's too early to rest/protect CMC and put everyone else in meat grinder and not have the locker room turn to utter poo. 

plus, I operate under the logic guys like CMC have already requested out. 

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3 minutes ago, CRA said:

You trade CMC to guarantee the first overall and pick up another first round pick (and more) for the next staff. 

You keep CMC, you might mess around and lose the top overall pick...and then you are just left with a RB that will be too old after the upcoming rebuild is ready to do something.   And you have an incoming staff that doesn't have a lot of draft captial. 

this changes the context of our conversation though. I agree with getting another first round pick. You orginally quoted me when I said the trade wouldnt be worth the dead cap if we only got a 3rd and 4th round pick. 

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3 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

this changes the context of our conversationt though. I agree with getting another first round pick. You orginally quoted me when I said the trade wouldnt be worth the dead cap if we only got a 3rd and 4th round pick. 

I mean, I'm talking about trading CMC from a realistic stand point.  There are pros and cons.  I thought you were just mentioning one of the cons.  Granted, I have read all this thread.  Can't really argue yes or no by removing everything else that would be involved. 

 

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2 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, I'm talking about trading CMC from a realistic stand point.  There are pros and cons.  I thought you were just mentioning one of the cons.  Granted, I have read all this thread.  Can't really argue yes or no by removing everything else that would be involved.. 

 

That same post I shared that I would be alright if we got good compensation. However, if we got poo compensation, it wouldnt be worth it. The dead cap and dropping of an elite player who could support a young QB for late mid round picks is just a waste and short sighted.

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9 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

im not sure what you mean, im sorry.

Sorry I might have quoted the wrong person.  It was in reference to us locking down the number 1 pick and how trading CMC might be worth that.  If we finish high enough to get one of the big 3 QBs I don't think if there is a huge drop off from 1-3.  

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2 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

That same post I shared that I would be alright if we got good compensation. However, if we got poo compensation, it wouldnt be worth it. The dead cap and dropping of an elite player who could support a young QB for late mid round picks is just a waste and short sighted.

my bad then.  

yeah, I agree with that.  You got to get at least a first rounder.   But yeah, they can get that I am fine with him leaving.  

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