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Adam Schefter: Bryce Young is believed to be favorite for #1 for the Panthers right now


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2 hours ago, OldhamA said:

I hope it's just bullshit - no way you trade that much and don't have a guy you want. 

I've seen a lot of folks subscribe to that logic, but it's not really valid.

You trade to be able to pick whoever you ultimately want, and in doing so this early they've given themselves plenty of time to decide that.

The notion that they absolutely have to know right now is a fallacy.

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I would be happy with Young or Stroud, but I lean Young. If he were 5 inches taller he would be a sure fire number 1 pick. The only concern is is size and slender frame, but he checks every other box. Panthers fans need start accepting the fact he is a real option. The things that we rave about Stroud doing in the Georgia game, he did consistently throughout his career.

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4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've seen a lot of folks subscribe to that logic, but it's not really valid.

You trade to be able to pick whoever you ultimately want, and in doing so this early they've given themselves plenty of time to decide that.

The notion that they absolutely have to know right now is a fallacy.

Dude.  They 100% know who they are taking.   They would not have traded all that capital if not.   Don’t kid yourself 

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2 hours ago, SaltAndPepper said:

If we're locked in and stopped evaluating more than six weeks, out... that's not a good sign. Evaluate until the end. We're talking about your relevance, reputation, and the fans here. Leave no stone unturned, and time unused. 

Exactly...

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1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Dude.  They 100% know who they are taking.   They would not have traded all that capital if not.   Don’t kid yourself 

See above

Hell, if you read the story of the Cam Newton discussion, that decision wasn't made till pretty late in the process. And there's no Cam Newton in this draft.

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4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Exactly...

You seriously believe they sat around the table and said to each other “we don’t know who we want but lets do this”.  Doesn’t feel like reality.  They went up to 1 for at most 2 guys but they definitely have a target and it isn’t AR or Levis 

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3 minutes ago, Shocker said:

You seriously believe they sat around the table and said to each other “we don’t know who we want but lets do this”.  Doesn’t feel like reality.  They went up to 1 for at most 2 guys but they definitely have a target and it isn’t AR or Levis 

I seriously believe they say around and said, "we could take this guy, or this guy, maybe that guy if we do some more research on him".

That's reasonable, and reports have said that's exactly what they're doing.

The notion that they have to be settled on only one guy rather than two or three to do this has no basis in fact.

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I've been going to games for a long time. I remember when I was in college in 1977, I went to the Final Four in Atlanta. UNC's Mike O'Koren had a career game against UNLV scoring 31 points. That ONE game on the national stage paved the way for his being an All-American from '78 to '80. I saw nearly every game in his college career. The point: He was good but not that good. That ONE game stayed in the minds of people nationally who didn't see him game in and game out. His NBA career proved he was an average player.

The question: I saw a lot written about Stroud in the fall, people saying never take an Ohio State QB because of their NFL track record. There were lots of questions about him in the fall. Then came the Georgia game and the question is: Is that who Stroud really is? Or, did he simply have a career game on the biggest stage, like O'Koren?

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