Why I believe the pick will be AR-15

[rippadonn]

1 hour ago, WOW!! said:

Won’t be the 1st 2 years when he’s not playing..

Pete Carroll will start him. Trust your coach. None of us sees what he sees, he's probably the most experienced offensive mind we've ever had.

If this was Matt Rhule I'd give a serious side eye but Reich, why did we get him if we don't trust him and handcuff him to his second choice IF the stories are true.

Smitty and TD may be more in touch with the feelings of the coach who was told it was ultimately up to him, who knows?! Rhule got to make his choices. I'm ok with a real coach making his decision.

As long as the QB can get on the adult rides at Carowinds

[WOW!!]

3 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

Pete Carroll will start him. Trust your coach. None of us sees what he sees, he's probably the most experienced offensive mind we've ever had.

If this was Matt Rhule I'd give a serious side eye but Reich, why did we get him if we don't trust him and handcuff him to his second choice IF the stories are true.

Smitty and TD may be more in touch with the feelings of the coach who was told it was ultimately up to him, who knows?! Rhule got to make his choices. I'm ok with a real coach making his decision.

As long as the QB can get on the adult rides at Carowinds

Not after signing Geno.. And actually that would be the best for AR.. Sitting and learning from Geno..

And Again at 5 thru 9 I understand..

At 1 with 2 other better prospects I questioned the thought process..

After trading what we did to acquire that pick.. I questioned the thought process..

Why am I giving up so much to get a project?? Why are we gambling with so much to gamble more?? 
 

But again Im a fan whatever they do I will talk myself into.. I really just don’t want to anymore…

[LinvilleGorge]

That's the thing though. If you think AR has what it takes mentally then there might not be a better prospect available. Are Young and Stroud better QBs right now? Yeah, I think that's fair to say. Will they be better QBs in 3 years? 5 years? That I'm a lot less confident about. If Richardson hits he's gonna be a STUD. It just comes down to what you think he has between the ears and how hard you think he's willing to work on his craft which are the types of things us fans get virtually no insight into.

[rippadonn]

2 hours ago, WOW!! said:

Not after signing Geno.. And actually that would be the best for AR.. Sitting and learning from Geno..

And Again at 5 thru 9 I understand..

At 1 with 2 other better prospects I questioned the thought process..

After trading what we did to acquire that pick.. I questioned the thought process..

Why am I giving up so much to get a project?? Why are we gambling with so much to gamble more?? 
 

But again Im a fan whatever they do I will talk myself into.. I really just don’t want to anymore…

Russ was supposed to sit and won the job in camp with Carroll.

AR can start with Pete, he's already had success with Russ, AR is a whole different more powerful animal.

He will take the job, Pete has no problem with him winning it.

[stan786]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's the thing though. If you think AR has what it takes mentally then there might not be a better prospect available. Are Young and Stroud better QBs right now? Yeah, I think that's fair to say. Will they be better QBs in 3 years? 5 years? That I'm a lot less confident about. If Richardson hits he's gonna be a STUD. It just comes down to what you think he has between the ears and how hard you think he's willing to work on his craft which are the types of things us fans get virtually no insight into.

I hope at the min he goes somewhere that’ll coach him up the right way, him being awesome will make the NFL more fun.

[OldhamA]

3 hours ago, WOW!! said:

Not after signing Geno.. And actually that would be the best for AR.. Sitting and learning from Geno..

And Again at 5 thru 9 I understand..

At 1 with 2 other better prospects I questioned the thought process..

After trading what we did to acquire that pick.. I questioned the thought process..

Why am I giving up so much to get a project?? Why are we gambling with so much to gamble more?? 
 

But again Im a fan whatever they do I will talk myself into.. I really just don’t want to anymore…

We made the trade to get into the QB conversation - it's pretty clear now that only Levis has a shot of being there at #9 overall and that's a hard no from me. 

We've been repeatedly told that the difference between acquiring #1 and #3 was negligible in terms of Draft capital, so we pulled the trigger.

With regards to Richardson sitting - honestly I think that's the last thing he needs. He has 13 career starts (and is THIS advanced with his pocket presence / movement, reads and anticipation) - the guy needs to play football. He's only going to learn through experience. 

You need to tweak his mechanics, but that's what the offseason and Training Camp is for. 

[OldhamA]

8 minutes ago, stan786 said:

I hope at the min he goes somewhere that’ll coach him up the right way, him being awesome will make the NFL more fun.

I will be banned if he goes somewhere else and shows out and Young dies on an innocuous play and Stroud hits a 'competent NFL starter' ceiling. 

[rippadonn]

Just like Chud did with Cam, IF you have the coach who can BUILD a system around a talented QB, AR is the best pick of the draft totally worth the #1.

IF this was the Panthers previous staff or even Rivera's staff I'd say pass on this Cam because you wouldn't know what to do with him or you'll continue to slam a round peg into a square hole like Shula and Rivera.

Chud was smart, he designed everything to Cams strengths, he designed everything for Cam off the two tight end sets and cloaked designed runs.

IF this staff can be Chud for AR instead of Shula for Cam, his ceiling will be the sky.

[stan786]

1 minute ago, OldhamA said:

I will be banned if he goes somewhere else and shows out and Young dies on an innocuous play and Stroud hits a 'competent NFL starter' ceiling. 

I appreciate how in on Richardson you are I can’t lie he’s insanely exciting to project.

[OldhamA]

19 minutes ago, stan786 said:

I appreciate how in on Richardson you are I can’t lie he’s insanely exciting to project.

I did the same with Mahomes - started off thinking "meh, he's just a big armed kid in a QB friendly system playing backyard football - that'll never fly in the NFL". Then the more you watched his tape, the more you saw he knew exactly what he was doing on those 'crazy' plays.

I don't think Richardson is Mahomes btw - he's the best QB prospect I've ever seen - but I think he's a franchise QB (i.e. a top 5 QB in the NFL that you wouldn't trade for the world) if he pans out. 

A good deal of my projection for Richardson is based on the fact he's 20 years old, had a terrible supporting cast (both players and coaches) and has only 13 career starts btw. If he looked like this as a 23 year old in year 3 I'd be much less bullish on him. 

[stan786]

1 minute ago, OldhamA said:

I did the same with Mahomes - started off thinking "meh, he's just a big armed kid in a QB friendly system playing backyard football - that'll never fly in the NFL". Then the more you watched his tape, the more you saw he knew exactly what he was doing on those 'crazy' plays.

I don't think Richardson is Mahomes btw - he's the best QB prospect I've ever seen - but I think he's a franchise QB (i.e. a top 5 QB in the NFL that you wouldn't trade for the world) if he pans out. 

A good deal of my projection for Richardson is based on the fact he's 20 years old, had a terrible supporting cast (both players and coaches) and has only 13 career starts btw. If he looked like this as a 23 year old in year 3 I'd be much less bullish on him. 

I was a big Mahomes guy as well, I still don’t get how so many teams missed that. I tend love aggressive QBs that don’t play scared.

My favorite thing about Richardson is he does a lot of the things I love my QBs to do already, I think he’s almost as good in the pocket as I think Young is, it’s impressive what he does with so little experience. I think most his flaws can be fixed by just mechanics related stuff, though his short accuracy does worry me long term it’s hard to project exactly how much a consistent base would improve his accuracy but I would take the risk to find out.

If I’m being honest I’d probably take Richardson over Stroud, but I know that’s me pushing the upside button in my head, which probably explains a bit of why I’m not as scared of Young as many in here.

[LinvilleGorge]

I honestly can't comment on Mahomes as a prospect. I just wasn't paying any attention to QBs in the draft at that time. Cam was 27 years old and a year removed from being the NFL MVP. 

[WOW!!]

5 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's the thing though. If you think AR has what it takes mentally then there might not be a better prospect available. Are Young and Stroud better QBs right now? Yeah, I think that's fair to say. Will they be better QBs in 3 years? 5 years? That I'm a lot less confident about. If Richardson hits he's gonna be a STUD. It just comes down to what you think he has between the ears and how hard you think he's willing to work on his craft which are the types of things us fans get virtually no insight into.

Why?? 
I understand bigger faster great athlete thing.. But they aren’t winning super bowls .. 

We keep saying “once they learn how to pass” but even when they do.. They are still not as consistent or better then the actual passers or “pocket guys” who are less athletic.. I’m waiting on this big change in the environment.. But Brady still wins, Mahomes still wins Stafford wins.. They still find ways to consistently beat the super athletes.. They are still finding ways to orchestrate top offenses without athleticism..

Not debating this because I understand the thinking in this.. But at some point we might need to give credit to the good pocket passers coming out getting better at their craft and that being considered “upside”..

Like this dude is so good at reading defenses and accuracy and anticipation.. That no matter what defense you’re playing he is going to carve you up..

[OldhamA]

2 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Why?? 
I understand bigger faster great athlete thing.. But they aren’t winning super bowls .. 

We keep saying “once they learn how to pass” but even when they do.. They are still not as consistent or better then the actual passers or “pocket guys” who are less athletic.. I’m waiting on this big change in the environment.. But Brady still wins, Mahomes still wins Stafford wins.. They still find ways to consistently beat the super athletes.. They are still finding ways to orchestrate top offenses without athleticism..

Not debating this because I understand the thinking in this.. But at some point we might need to give credit to the good pocket passers coming out getting better at their craft and that being considered “upside”..

Like this dude is so good at reading defenses and accuracy and anticipation.. That no matter what defense you’re playing he is going to carve you up..

The good pocket passers that were playing on the overwhelmingly more talented team 95% of the time?