Re-Examining the Delhomme Extension

[Sam Mills Fan]

Agreed. Hurney and the FO arent idiots. Jake was 34 coming off what was then his worst season and a horrible meltdown in the playoffs. I seriously doubt they planned on him being the starter for even two more years.

Of course they're not idiots. That's why they gave $16 million for one season to Peppers when he was going to fly the coop next year anyway and they gave 5 years, $20 million guaranteed to Jake when he was already under contract for another season anyway. Nope, they're geniuses.

[Sam Mills Fan]

You know, as much as I rag on Fox and Delhomme, Marty Hurney is the guy that deserves to be out next year more than any of them. His moves this offseason were certifiably insane. It's too bad there's no Internet browser called Firehurney because I'd be all over that logo too.

[Mr. Scot]

Didn't you just say two posts above that the deal was done for cap room? Which one is it?

I said the cap room was needed (in hindsight) but that the deal was not primarily done just for cap room. Same thing I've said in all the other posts here.

[mountainpantherfan]

Once again I am going to say this and hope someone listens. I'm sure Fox wanted Delhomme and wanted to extend Delhomme but the fault goes on Hurney. It's the job of the GM to be the boss of the coach and make the tough choices that coaches won't or don't like to make.

If Hurney and Fox are tied together as much as people say they are and that forces Hurney to follow these bad choices then the Panthers need a new GM much more so than they need a new coach. This should have never even been a choice that Fox had more than an opinion in.

[Mr. Scot]

And really, if you're Marty Hurney is basically either Jake or no Jake. There was really no replacement this past offseason... despite what some may argue.

No, but there arguably was a good backup plan. He just happened to get hurt

Ive found myself wondering if Hurney's gamble wasn't with the uncapped year.

If he goes into the negotiations believing that the uncapped year is inevitable then that frees him to gamble that Jake is back and better than before. If Jake lives up to the deal all is good and its Smarty Marty. If he tanks they cut him loose and take the cap hit in a year that it doesn't cripple them.

I've wondered about that.

I'm never in favor of gambling cap space on things that might not happen. The 49ers and Cowboys tried that and it really bit them.

[Mr. Scot]

Once again I am going to say this and hope someone listens. I'm sure Fox wanted Delhomme and wanted to extend Delhomme but the fault goes on Hurney. It's the job of the GM to be the boss of the coach and make the tough choices that coaches won't or don't like to make.

If Hurney and Fox are tied together as much as people say they are and that forces Hurney to follow these bad choices then the Panthers need a new GM much more so than they need a new coach. This should have never even been a choice that Fox had more than an opinion in.

It's been said before. Conventional wisdom is that if one goes, both go.

[Fox007]

Did McCown really need to go on IR?

I'm not sure how injured he really is.

[Mr. Scot]

Did McCown really need to go on IR?

I'm not sure how injured he really is.

No, he didn't. That was a screw up, and they know it now.

[Fox007]

No, he didn't. That was a screw up, and they know it now.

That's what I was kind of thinking, but really that just adds to their list of mess ups and bad choices.

[panthers55]

So how many screw ups has Hurney had? How many number 1 picks have blown up in our face? Seems to me that Hurney has done a good job and is entitled to one screw up particularly when it could have worked out well instead of the other way around.

I have heard that if Fox goes so does Hurney, but I wonder why? Seems that Hurney was here before Fox so he could surely be here after. Unless he wants someone like Cowher who wants both jobs. Still I have heard Richardson doesn't like that, so I really wonder whether Hurney won't still be here.

[Urrymonster]

Oh this is Darin Gantt garbage. They could have restructured his deal for this one season or extended him only through the 2010 season. To suggest that their only option was to give him a 5-year, $20 million guaranteed contract is asinine.

You can't restructure contracts that only have one year left. The whole point of restructuring, is that you move some salary of bonus' to different years that what they were originally set out for. So with just one season on the contract, there is no where else the money could go.

It was extend or nothing.

Extending just one year also acheives little as the money still can't really be moved much. So it was either a multi year deal or cut him loose.

[thefuzz]

So how many screw ups has Hurney had? How many number 1 picks have blown up in our face? Seems to me that Hurney has done a good job and is entitled to one screw up particularly when it could have worked out well instead of the other way around.

I have heard that if Fox goes so does Hurney, but I wonder why? Seems that Hurney was here before Fox so he could surely be here after. Unless he wants someone like Cowher who wants both jobs. Still I have heard Richardson doesn't like that, so I really wonder whether Hurney won't still be here.

Hurney needs to be gone long before Fox...but if both have to go...then farewell.

Hurney does not usually mess up the 1st round picks, that you can remember...but lets look at what he has brought in lately.

Otah

Stewart

Williams

Beason

Davis

Gamble

Out of those 6 picks, 4 of them are play it safe positions in the first round....LB and RB. Now lets look at that again, we have used 4 1st rounder lately on RB's and LB's....none on DL or QB...other than last years choice of Brown...who is an undersized DE, that we reached for because of bad choices made by Hurney in the First place.

Just so I am not hating too bad...those are all good/great players. The biggest problem I have with Hurney is not his first rounders, but the rest of the drafts of late. We needed depth like crazy, and we had to get it off of the street, instead of grooming our young draft picks...like most successful teams do.

[frash.exe]

said it before the decision was made, after, and now, after the result

foolish.

[mountainpantherfan]

Hurney needs to be gone long before Fox...but if both have to go...then farewell.

Hurney does not usually mess up the 1st round picks, that you can remember...but lets look at what he has brought in lately.

Otah

Stewart

Williams

Beason

Davis

Gamble

Out of those 6 picks, 4 of them are play it safe positions in the first round....LB and RB. Now lets look at that again, we have used 4 1st rounder lately on RB's and LB's....none on DL or QB...other than last years choice of Brown...who is an undersized DE, that we reached for because of bad choices made by Hurney in the First place.

Just so I am not hating too bad...those are all good/great players. The biggest problem I have with Hurney is not his first rounders, but the rest of the drafts of late. We needed depth like crazy, and we had to get it off of the street, instead of grooming our young draft picks...like most successful teams do.

Honestly, I really wonder how involved Hurney is in the draft. I think like other issues he simply goes to Fox and drafts who Fox tells him to draft.

I think Hurney is an amazing GM when it comes to managing the cap and working on contracts. But that is only part of what a GM is suppose to do.

In an ideal world I think Hurney getting a "promotion" and only handling the contracts and cap would be the best solution. What the Panthers really need is a GM that puts a championship team together. What the Panthers have now in my opionion is a coach also acting as a GM with Hurney taking all of the financial stress off of Fox.